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Megastarfan
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Brad
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chesukuntaa mama..
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Thodakottu
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vachesava?
YM loo unnara.. unte nannu adding sesukoo thodakottu
want to chat with u
Simhamalle nadichostha thodane kotti Manmadhunne dadipistha meesam thippi
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Brad
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Subram Pari subram
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Thodakottu
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Simhamalle nadichostha thodane kotti Manmadhunne dadipistha meesam thippi
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Thodakottu
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Simhamalle nadichostha thodane kotti Manmadhunne dadipistha meesam thippi
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Brad
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Sonia planning a tour to Pakistan??
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Chalam
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http://rediff.com/news/2004/may/28ariban.htm
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Chalam
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crappy rabble-rousing in economist. BJP has been protesting for long about sonia's foreign origin and they continued in a 'democratic' way. admittedly, if she was made a PM, they would have continued high-pitched noise, doesnt mean anything more. Economist is simply conjuring images of a violent reaction frmo BJP and cadre to somehow paint Sonia's episode as BJP's fault and highlight her 'sacrifice'.
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Brad
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Prastutam Sonia yemi chestundi??
padukunu vuntundi and kulladdu..

I mean inkaa party high command yenaa??
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Jamadagni
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Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 11:57 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

AW maava...nee Hinduthvaaniki samaadhanam eee kindha paragraphs loo undhi ethukkooo....

"Ideally, Mr Singh would be able to rely on help from the BJP, which says that it wants all these things too. In reality, this is highly unlikely. For there is not much doubting that Indian politics have taken a nasty and confrontational turn. The BJP's hysterical reaction to the prospect of Mrs Gandhi's appointment has, if nothing else, revealed just what an unpleasant and xenophobic party it fundamentally is, despite the appearance of moderation in which Atal Behari Vajpayee cloaked it. It is true that in most countries a foreign-born leader would be hard to imagine. In America it would be illegal. But India's constitution explicitly permits it, and the issue had been thoroughly ventilated before the voters had their say.

Nor is Mrs Gandhi just any foreigner: she lost both her husband and her beloved mother-in-law, both prime ministers of India, to assassins. In the recent election campaign she showed herself well able to run rings around the BJP, and its boast of a "shining" India, in fluent Hindi. To boycott her swearing-in, as the BJP threatened, shows a contempt for the democracy that is India's proudest achievement. And it was, incidentally, a trifle odd for L.K. Advani, the BJP's leading hard-liner and the former deputy prime minister, to have been part of the boycott planned if she became prime minister. He was born in Karachi (though it was part of British India at the time).

Unfortunately, this may be only the beginning of the BJP's return to bad old ways. Already, voices within the ranks of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, the Hindu-nationalist mass movement on which the BJP depends, are blaming the loss of the election on insufficient promotion of Hindutva, or "Hinduness". What does this actually mean? On past evidence, more revision of school textbooks to deny the contributions that the Muslims have made to India; more pressure to tear down mosques and replace them with temples; an end to the "special" autonomous status of Kashmir, for what that is worth; and ultimately, one may be sure, more blood."

Who, me? India's election, The Economist, May,22,2004!

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Andhrawala
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GG mama,

What are her other qualifications in serving the country other than uniting the congress party.

- Did she do any social service or anything while she was daughter in law of Indira Gandhi (like Maneka Gandhi)

Had she been a person like Mother Theressa or someone then we can accept irrrespective of the Nationality. If she had some special skill which no one had.

Rahul says his mother is more Indian than any. Mari aame pempakam lo athanu oka Bhartha streeni kaaka Belgium ladni preminchtam lo ardham enti.

- I cant accept her just becos of the Italian orgin
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Jamadagni
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Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 2:37 pm:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Padindhi gurthu...naaa manasuloo unna maata baita pettaavu! Amma AW maava...adhi katha!!

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Gandra_goddali
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Posted on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 2:34 pm:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

>> Being an Hindu I support Hindu party than supporting COngress which is lead by Italian Kirasthaani.

Ponile final ga Asalu vishyam cheppesav AW mama.
Ika netho politics gurinchi vadinchadam waste.

Nenika retire. :-)
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Andhrawala
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Andhuke katha Sonia ki ippudu Bharatha Ratna ivaali antunnaru.

Inka nayyam . Aame selless ness ki Nobel Proze ivvali antam ledhu.

GG mama,

Being an Hindu I support Hindu party than supporting COngress which is lead by Italian Kirasthaani.

But whatever in the end, she decided the best person Manmohan to lead the govt.
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Jamadagni
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That's political brilliance! Inthaka mundhu mana state loo Congress cheesina thappu center loo ippudu BJP cheesindhi! Aaalu leedhu soolu leedhu alludeemoo somalingam ani, gelavaka mundhee they were planning a lot of things! Over optimism at its best!!
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Indian007
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Yes I totally agree that she deserves credit for bringing the party together. No one can deny that.
I was only trying to say that atleast in this elections Congress did not announce thier PM candidate. Why didn't they announce before the elections. Also why didn't Sonia reject the offer of PM immediately when she was elected. She was waiting for it and now she comes up with an explanation saying her inner voice told her ..blah..blah..

BJP did nothing wrong in opposing her. There are many loopholes. The first thing is Sonia did not take Indian citizenship for almost 16 years.As an Oppostion party they will throw any challenge. THIS IS POLITICS.

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Jamadagni
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Dravid aadi India gelchinaaa Captain Gangulu ki credit raaleedhaa?

Anthee ikkada! But basically, she held the party together after the leadership crisis!! Asalu Sharadh Pawar, Chidambaram(eee madhya malli cheereedanukooo) laanti vallu ellipooyina tharuvatha asala eee party chapter close ayipooyindhi ani ankunnaaru!! Sonia ni choosi antee..aaa coaltion form cheesee decisions theesukundhi aaamee kadha maava! Evarithoo alliance lu ani thelisi vote cheesee prajaanikam koodaa undhi kadhaa! So she deserves a partial credit for the success!!

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Gandra_goddali
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I007 mama
Akkda UP,BIHAR lo CONG ki presence chala minimu, like BJP in AP ...
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Gandra_goddali
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Ade mari AW mama

Meru gelithhe mimmulanu chusi (ade MASK MAN) ni chusi vote esaru antaru.

Ade memu gelithhe, local isuues ni chusi vote esaru antaru.


Ne istam vachhi natlu cheppu mama emi parledu :-), akkada RAMOJI gare ne post lu copy kotti Editorials rastunnadu .

UP,BIHAR, lo janalu BJP ki pedda ROD pettaru, dani gurinchi matladavu. Only RULING people won. EVM lani manage chesaru antavu emo :-)

sivariki GUJRATH kuda pettaru.
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Indian007
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Based upon the results that I just provided, How can these Congi's claim that the mandate was in favour of Sonia. Congress did not even win 1/2 of the seats from what they contested.

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Brad
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correct ye kadaa..
Jagame Maaya
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Andhrawala
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Jammu mama,

EMi ledhu COngress leaders andharu boruna edcheru. Asalu Janaalu SOnia ni choosi vallaku mandate icheranta.

Aamenu choosi ichinavaalu ayithe they would have got majority seats in Karantaka and kerala too
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Cinejeevi
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http://www.andhrabhoomi.net/special.html

i like this guy MVR Sastry. prati issue ni manchi angle lonchi present chestadu. It is widely accepted that AB is cong party supporting paper until recently. And still to an extent.
krushi vunte manushulu rushulavtaru mahapurushu lavtaru
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Jamadagni
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Ardham kaaleedhu Aw maavaa question!
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Andhrawala
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Jammu mama,

Then how can we say that SOnia got mandate to rule the country
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Andhrawala
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Before 1947 there is no Pakisthan just Akhand Bharath. At the time of Partition, familes of Advani and Manmohan decided to move where the maximum of their people are living and so they came to India as refugees.

Now they dont make any trips to Pakisthan or has any properties or relatives in Pakisthan unlike Sonia who has relatives, properties and makes trips to Italy.
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Jamadagni
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Ofcourse, who is denying that....infact all the reputed media are openly acknowledging that it was more of a "protest vote" rather than outright support for Congress.

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Indian007
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How Congress Fared?
http://specials.rediff.com/election/2004/may/19tab .htm
http://specials.rediff.com/election/2004/may/19tab 1.htm
http://specials.rediff.com/election/2004/may/19tab 2.htm
http://specials.rediff.com/election/2004/may/19tab 3.htm
http://specials.rediff.com/election/2004/may/19tab 4.htm

How BJP Fared?
http://specials.rediff.com/election/2004/may/21tab .htm
http://specials.rediff.com/election/2004/may/21tab 1.htm
http://specials.rediff.com/election/2004/may/21tab 2.htm
http://specials.rediff.com/election/2004/may/21tab 3.htm
http://specials.rediff.com/election/2004/may/21tab 4.htm

Congress Seats Contested - 417
Seats Won - 145

BJP Seats Contested - 364
Seats Won - 138

The reason why Congress could form Govt in the Centre and BJP could not is
because of Allies.
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Jamadagni
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Akkadee personal traits will come into play...chuddhaam his political mentor was successful in taming the coalition. Kidhadhi choodandi!!


Tough job

The Indian Express newspaper warned that Mr Singh had a tough job at hand and "would need to strike a delicate balance between party leadership and government, between the government and its allies supporting it from outside, and between various individuals and parties within the government".

The newspaper said that Mr Singh's "well-proven skills of administration and indubitable integrity. and the image he has among the powerful elite of this country should stand him in good stead in this regard."

The Economic Times said "today's Manmohan Singh is a very different man from the one who had initially, and so suddenly, been co-opted into governance 13 years ago".

"By now it is amply clear that he is no callow beginner, and that even pro-welfare statists like Communist Party of India (Marxist) respect him."

Business Standard sounded another note of warning saying being prime minister "will not be easy" for Mr Singh.

"As a man prone to resigning (he did it at least once as (central bank) governor and twice as finance minister), he should learn to stay the course and resist the urge to conclude that the game is not worth the candle," the newspaper said.

"Success will depend on the equation that he maintains with Sonia Gandhi. There will be no shortage of people who will try to queer the pitch between prime minister and party chief, because there are many thwarted ambitions."

The Tribune said Mr Singh faces "tremendous challenges"-stabilising the economy, and ensure economic reforms with a human face.

"He cannot afford to be wantonly populist, but he will have to sell his reforms to his Leftist allies with some skill," the newspaper said.

"He might pleasantly find that the Leftists may not deny him cooperation provided he takes care of their essential concerns."

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Indian007
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Anyway Laloo is already showing his true colors by flexing his muscles and yelling out some movie dailogues.
Inthey if the ruling party does not have clear majority.....
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Jamadagni
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Papers antunnaayi guru...nadeemundhi!!
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Indian007
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Jamadagni,

FYI- There was no Pakistan before 1947. It is INDIA only.
Any one who say that Manmohan,Advani are Pakistanis and Musharaff an Indian will become a laughing stock.
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Jamadagni
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" People crib that Sonia Gandhi might not let him function independently, that Singh would become a hand-puppet of the Congress president. The only way to answer such carping is through experience. Sonia has run the party for six years through which Congress has ruled as many as 16 states on its own or with allies. After the defeats of December 2003, this tally is down to 13, more than double the BJP’s tally of six. All the while, Sonia gave each Congress chief minister full autonomy, insisting only on periodic reviews of performance where she’d take stock of how they were running the show. She has never destabilised any CM, and even after people like Digvijay Singh and Ashok Gehlot lost, they’ve been given significant responsibilities in the party. Sonia’s is a completely different personality from that of her mother-in-law’s. She proved that with the way she handled her CMs, she proved it again by giving up power, she’ll prove it once again by giving Singh the support — and independence — he needs."
Editorial, The Times of India, May 21 2004!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/688 112.cms


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a guy born in pakistan before 1947 is eligible for indian primeminister ship both technically, logically and even emotionally.

there is no pakistan until independence. it was only India.

CHIRU RULES
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a guy born in pakistan before 1947 is eligible for indian primeminister ship both technically, logically and even emotionally.

there is no pakistan until independence. it was only India.


baava bathroom lonchi! tudusukovala?? kadukkovala??
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Jamadagni
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Indian007 maava, I am not sure about LKADVANI but I am confident that Man Mohan Singh was born in Pakisthan in 1932!! Howzz that for a technicality!!
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Jamadagni
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"Even now shafts of light sometimes penetrate the global gloom. For the past week the world has been dazzled by the heroism of Indian democracy. Rarely has the outcome of an election been at once so unexpected and inspiring. India's choice of a new congress-led government confounded every pundit and pollster. So too did the wisdom of Sonia Gandhi, the congress leader, in ceeding the prize of primiership to Man Mohan Singh, the original author of India's recent economic success."

Philip Stephens, INDIA'S TRUMPH OF DEMOCRACY, THE FINANCIAL TIMES, MAY 21 2004!
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/68 5876.cms

Why Sonia refused to be PM

ECONOMICTIMES.COM[ WEDNESDAY, MAY 19, 2004 07:01:30 PM ]
By refusing to be the Prime Minister, was Sonia Gandhi listening to her conscience or was it because she was on legally shaky ground on the citizenship issue?


Media reports are claiming that the latter is the case. Some newspapers reported that the President of India talked to Gandhi at length on Tuesday and explained to her that her candidature for PM is on a legally shaky ground.

But the President’s Office on Wednesday denied that President A P J Abdul Kalam had discussed the citizenship issue with Gandhi at all when she met him on Tuesday.

But even if the Prez did not raise the issue, others might have had Gandhi wanted to go on to become Prime Minister.

According to Section 5 of the Citizenship Act of 1955, Gandhi may not have the right to assume the office of the Prime Minister of India

Under Section 5, the rights and privileges allowed to foreigners who become citizens by application (not by birth) are conditional upon the rights and privileges granted to Indians in the country of the concerned person (Italy in this case). So, a lot would depend on whether India-born people who become Italian citizens are permitted to become Prime Minister of that country. Other legal obstacles to gandhi's becoming PM apparently come from Articles 102 and 103 of the Constitution. Article 102 says: "A person shall be disqualified for being chosen as, and for being, a member of either House of Parliament" on any or more of five possible grounds. Clause(d) of the same Article says "... or is under any acknowledgement of allegiance or adherence to a

foreign state".

The Pioneer report says: The term "adherence" had to be clarified specifically as Ms Gandhi in her affidavit before the Returning Officer of the Rai Bareli Parliamentary constituency had stated that she owned ancestral property, namely portion of a house, in Orbassano, Italy, the country of her origin. This fact of ownership, legal experts say, makes her subject to Italian law in this matter and could be interpreted as "adherence" to a foreign country. Since this portion of the ancestral property was apparently bequeathed to her by her father in his will, she inherited it only after his death. Consequently, the property was not hers when she filed her 1999 nomination affidavit.

Article 103 states that "if any question arises as to whether a member of either House of Parliament has become subject to disqualification mentioned in Article 102, the question shall be referred for the decision to the President and his decision shall be final".

Clause 2 of the Article says: "Before giving any decision on such question, the President shall obtain the opinion of the Election Commission and shall act according to such opinion."


Of course, the issue is academic now, unless Gandhi plans to become Prime Minister in the future, but this time around, it may have put obstacles in her path which would have harmed both her and the Congress-lead alliance.





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Janani Janmabhumischa Swargadapi Gariyasi...
E thalli ninu kannadoo, A thalli ne kanna janma bhoomi guppadi ra!

For me Janmabhoomi is India and For Sonia it is Italy
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section 5 citizenship act 1955
main reason kalam pressed for this act to be followed for people who do not know will give it below

the rights and privileges allowed to foreigners who become citizens by application, and not by birth, are conditional upon the rights and privileges granted to Indians in the country of the concerned person's origin --here, Italy. Now, efforts are on to find out if Italy does allow Indians who might have become its citizens to hold high offices. But we know that even a low office was denied to a Bengali actress, Sonali Senroy, who married an Italian answering to the name Roberto Rosellini and became an Italian citizen. So much for reciprocity.


bhamalu mamalu , adi main reason

so ala toka mudichina congress vallu daniki tyagam rangu pulimaru.

so two birds with one shot

become a great sacrificier when you dont have the chance.

why not the same sacrifice in 1999 when she paraded those mps

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B.B.C's leading current affairs program gives a racistic interpretation, while German papers give a complete picture by highlighting the fact that Man Mohan belongs to a minority religion.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/686 465.cms

U.S. mainstream media is "marvelled" at the true nature of our democracy
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/686 469.cms
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LK Advani was not a Pakistani. He was born in some place in India which after partition went to Pakistan's side.

If that logic is true then Musharaff is an Indian because he was born somewhere near Delhi.


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WHEN THE FACTS CHANGE, I CHANGE MY MIND. WHAT DO YOU DO, SIR?

Adiripoyindi Jammu mama gurthu chesinanduku neeku


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Evari logic ni thakkuva anchanaa veyyakoodadhu! Asalaa eee technicality choodandi!!


" AT Thorat, a security guard in Gujarat, says Sonia Gandhi has risen in stature with her decision.

"I think Sonia took a wise step and did so out of security concerns for her family and herself."

But he adds: "Having been born in Italy is no issue. If LK Advani, who was born in Pakistan, can become deputy PM, why can't Sonia become PM
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AW maava,
Cong party gelavangalnee koorukunnadhi Man Mohan Singh avvaalani! Kaani that desire was driven from the development perspective and not from the point of origin! Sonia ki antha intellect leedhu antunnaaru. 100% oppukoovaali. But at the same time Man Mohan ki charisma leedhu public loo! It's good to see some interesting trends evolving in our political framework!!
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Jamadagni Brother,

Sonia sacrifice cheyatam ivanni BS. If she was not interested in PM post why the hell did she go to the president claiming to form the govt.It is rumoured that the president said that it would take some time for her to become the PM as there are some checks to be done reagrding her origin (You might well know that she has not got her Italian citizen ship cancelled).Fearing the delay would give the opposition a chance to form the govt, she came out with the inner voice thing.But strictly I do not support the action Of BJP too during the past couple of days.
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Another "qualified opinion" maava! Nuvvu maaripoothaavu ani kaadhu. Naaku vykthigathamgaa eee party meedha peddha gurileedhu! Ilaantivi evaru cheesinaa one has to appreciate them!

"By not listening to these voices and by heeding your own inner voice you have performed an act of great renunciation. Those who advised you to stay away from the prime ministerial chair are your true friends and well-wishers.

Unlike the BJP establishment, which till May 12 morning was arrogantly asserting that Mr. Vajpayee would form the government whatever be the Lok Sabha numbers, you have identified yourself firmly with this land's ancient tradition of tyaag (renunciation). You have deprived the Sangh Parivar's small minds of an issue that they hoped to use to keep divisiveness alive. You have proven wrong all those critics who saw you as a power-hungry person. More than that, you have restored the faith of the people of this country in the nobility of politics and public service. "


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Jammu mama,

Nuvvu ennaina seppu, I cant take it as great sacrifice. As she said PM post is not her goal ante in future also she should not try for PM post. Lets wait and see.


Anyway nee opinion lo who is better candidate Indian borm Manmohan or Italain Sonia.
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KARL MARX, the reputed economist once said, " WHEN THE FACTS CHANGE, I CHANGE MY MIND. WHAT DO YOU DO, SIR?"! Alaagee Ilaantivi chadhivina tharuvatha Sonia ni pogadaka pooyina kacchithamgaa thittaleenu! Yahoo avi emi chadhavathaamu kaani, read the opinion of our National Newspaper

http://www.hindu.com/2004/05/19/stories/2004051906 231000.htm

"Ms. Gandhi's stunning act of self-denial and political renunciation cannot be allowed to be seen as an endorsement of the vicious campaign that the Sushma Swarajs, the Uma Bhartis, the Govindacharyas and the rest in the sangh parivar have launched to block and subvert the electoral verdict.

The likes of Ms. Swaraj centred their political campaign on Ms. Gandhi, her `foreignness' and her presumed unfitness to be Prime Minister (although they had made no fuss, it must be recalled, in dealing with her as Leader of the Opposition). People did not buy the argument. In no democracy are losers in an election entitled to overrule the umpire on who won and who lost. As for narrow-minded interpretations of `Indianness' and `foreignness', Mahatma Gandhi anticipated the real issues while visualising the Constitution of India as something based on universal values applied to the particular conditions of India. As early as 1931, he promised to strive for a Constitution that would "release India from all thraldom and patronage" but made it clear that "all interests not in conflict with the interests of the dumb millions will be scrupulously respected whether foreign or indigenous," and that personally speaking he hated "the distinction between foreign and indigenous." Having made her point, the Italian-born Congress president who could have been Prime Minister by Wednesday has grown enormously in political and moral stature. The new coalition government that will be led by Manmohan Singh has the opportunity to build on this advantage and get off to a fine start."

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What is the great thing that Sonia did to get laurels? It is not a sacrifice. Entire Episode is a Drama by Congians. Even If she accepts the post she will be disqualified later by courts. What the bullshit drama that congians are playing on the roads of Delhi and AP (Only in these two states.Nowhere else). Do they think that 145 seats alias 219 seats mandate is enough to put any dog and doll on PM post? PM post is not the Gandhians dynasty property. What the hell the pseudo seculars are making here. Tomorrow these sycophants will appoint Foreign origin citizens for even President, chief justice, Defense positions, Think for a while if someone from Pakistan marry Rahul and contesting for PM post. How ridiculous? Pathetic Congians.
There is nothing Inner voice and all. Some constitutional experts warned her about consequences and she quit. Nothing great about it. If she accepts also, she will be disqualified.

Example: You married a Arab/Pakistani girl born in USA and settled in USA with Greencard and citizen ship. Then one fined day you are watching a Cricket mathc between Indian vs Pakistan. Then what your and Your's wife instincts will say? Whom you both support. On someother day you are watching a match between India vs USA. In this caes what about your state of Mind? We are not against Sonia or Monia. We are against any Foreigner contesting from any highest position.

Sensational Facts about Sonia basis on which She should be REJECTED as PM. If you are an Indian go through this link. If you are a Congian better ignore this link. Decide what you are and go ahead for the INTERESTS of Nation.


What could have prevented Sonia from accepting PM position? - http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/Indianisation/mes sage/13

It is not a matter of pride to have Sonia as the PM - By Gurumurthy (TOI) - http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/Indianisation/mes sage/12

Whether 'Sonia Gandhi nee Maino' is Indian? - By Professor Ashutosh –
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/Indianisation/mes sage/8


Sensational Facts regarding Sonia - Italian by Instincts
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/Indianisation/mes sage/3


Why ignore Sonia as PM? - By Tavleen Singh
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sonia's master stroke.. sonia's master stroke.. ani CONG PRO media lo chaduvutontee naaku baagaa "boothu" artham kanipisthondhi.
Sonia's refusal to be PM : Victory of 100 crore indians..
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Is Sonia rejecting Prime Minister offer a master stroke or is she really self less person who doesnt hanker for position like the likes of Laloo Yadhav, Jayalalitha, Deve gowda and so on.

Some people are saying Sonia's decission is master stroke aiming at curtailing the BJP and also parties supporting the colation

Others and she her self say that she is self less politician who doesnt hanker for power.

Which one is True