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Baaggie
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Baaggie
Post Number: 46
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 141.89.66.2
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 6:09 am: |    |
Yes, thats what we meant by not offending others, its only the 'minor' others that always offend us. if someone stands up, they risk being counted as hindu nationalist. if you see all the major newspapers abroad (foreign media), you will see that BJP, according to them, is no less than Sauron's dark army! (forgive the reference to Lord of the Rings, it was irresistible). this is far from the truth! they hold the hindu nationalists akin to taliban/ al qaida. thanx to *messers*. Congress. this is laced with political overtones, but its sadly the truth,
Baaggie
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Baaggie
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Baaggie
Post Number: 45
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 141.89.66.2
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 6:06 am: | |
Jamadagni mama I agree with u on this. |
Baaggie
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Baaggie
Post Number: 44
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 141.89.66.2
| | Posted on Sunday, May 23, 2004 - 6:03 am: | |
NonLOcal mama thanx for the info mama. |
Nonlocal
Kurra Bewarse
Username: Nonlocal
Post Number: 133
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 13.13.137.1
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 4:05 pm: | |
Point #13.
India is plural in ethos and spirit
It was two mindsets contending with each other. For Nehru it was an act of revivalism. However, Dr Prasad and others took exception to Nehru's approach, which failed to weld the medieval and modern political history of India with its ancient cultural heritage. This heritage predates the advent of semitic religions, for India's pluralism cannot be delineated only in terms of presence of Islam or Christianity. India is plural in ethos and spirit; Hinduism continued to give birth to new sects and philosophies, many of them contradicting and challenging one other.
Somnath temple - a symbol of national faith
Nehru had no answer to the question that emerged from how the reconstruction of the ancient shrine, destroyed by an aggressor, discounted secularism. Dr Rajendra Prasad described Somnath temple as a symbol of national faith and said, "By rising from its ashes again, this temple of Somnath is to say proclaiming to the world that no man and no power in the world can destroy that for which people have boundless faith and love in their hearts... Today, our attempt is not to rectify history. Our only aim is to proclaim anew our attachment to the faith, convictions and to the values on which our religion has rested since immemorial ages."
If for Mahmud of Ghazni the destruction of Somnath was a sign of victory of Islam (he was rewarded for it by the Caliph); for Pakistan, its renovation was - as evident from a resolution passed in a public meeting in Karachi on 2nd May 1951, an act of insult to Muslim. As Pakistan Radio went into anti-renovation propaganda, Nehru made a retort to Liaquat Ali Khan. In another instance, Mahatma Gandhi rebuked an Indian (Urdu) journal, which wrote that another Ghazni had to come to undo what was being done in Somnath.
http://www.vhp.org/englishsite/e.Special_Movements /dRanjanambhumi%20Muti/rs_about%20Somnath%20Temple _rs.htm
Thats the reason we are Secular and they are extremists.
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Nonlocal
Kurra Bewarse
Username: Nonlocal
Post Number: 132
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 13.13.137.1
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 3:49 pm: | |
Baaggie mama.
Some info on Point #12 from muslims perspective.
Besides other events, the arrest of the Ali brothers in September 1921 gave a severe blow to the Khilafat Movement. Gandhi, who was using this movement to accelerate India's advance towards Swaraj, also withdrew his support for the Muslim cause in the aftermath of the Chauri Chaura incident in February 1922. Using the excuse that the national volunteers were responsible for the murder of 21 policemen, thus leading to violence, he called off the whole movement.
Link http://www.storyofpakistan.com/articletext.asp?art id=A033&Pg=4
Antha chesinaa, Gandhijini itu manollu thitti atu muslims thitti... Manchodi meedegaa rallu vesedi.
Adentoo Gandhi ji ki puttina vaallu mathram okkallu kooda leru power lo.
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Jamadagni
Kurra Bewarse
Username: Jamadagni
Post Number: 438
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 141.151.23.18
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 1:18 pm: | |
Baggie maavaa,
Good one! 5 more stars to u!!
Intha daridhram, inni avakathavakalunnaa eee rooju Prancham anthaa manalni gurthisthundhantee daaniki nuvvu cheppina amsaalu koodaa pradhaana paathra vahisthaayi.
Eee rooju prapanchamloo aaa 52 deesaalaki(okka Saudi ki thappa) viluventha undhi manaki viluventha undhoo neenu pratyeekamgaa cheppanavasaramleedhu! Vandhala samvatsarala bhaanisanthvamloo unnaaaa swathanthram vacchina ventanee manam prapancha raajakeeyalaloo keelaka paathra vahincha kaligaamantee endhu valanantaavu. Adhi Mana deesa oudharyam oounnatyam vallanee!
Bhagawadh Geetha ni ennoo schools(Rama Krishna Missionaries), marennennoo Colleges( Swami Vivekanandha College in Chennai and Shanthinikethan in Calcutta) chaalaa samvatsaralugaa bhoodisthoonee vacchaayi. Kaani vaatini evaroo nindhinchaleedhu endhukantee avi Muslimlu mana deesaaniki cheesina manchi panulu gurthu cheesee Charithrani thiragaraayaleedhu kaabatti.
Antha goppa charithrunna mana Deesanni konni samsthalu thappu dhoova pattinchadam chaalaa baadhaa karamaina vishayam! Sarfarosh loo Inspector Saleem laanti vallu enthoo mandhi unnaaru ikkada kooda! Asalu Jai laanti cinemaani eee timelooo theesinandhuku TEJA gaadini chepputhoo kottaali!!
India Shining avanni pakkana pettocchu kaani Vajpayee Pakisthan thoo dialogue start cheyyadam maaathram highlight of his administration. |
Baaggie
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Baaggie
Post Number: 43
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 141.89.66.2
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 12:30 pm: | |
Oh Sushil and IInfo mama Thanx to u both mamalu.
I got it from my friend mama.
full of facts. |
Indiainfo
Bewarse
Username: Indiainfo
Post Number: 630
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 130.243.43.216
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 8:13 am: | |
super post baggie mama...
anduke mama India is great nation where we can see unity in diversity. |
Sushil
Kurra Bewarse
Username: Sushil
Post Number: 145
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 61.11.60.114
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 5:51 am: | |
Baggie mama..
Iragadeesavu mama.Neeku naa 5 stars.
Itta adigevaadu lekee Laloo yadav lanti boku nayallu kooda Secular India(veedi mokaniki Secular spelling teliste saalu) antoo tega reccipotunnaru..
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Baaggie
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Baaggie
Post Number: 40
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 141.89.66.2
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 5:39 am: | |
ade kada mama religion a subset then way of life is like a universal set. |
Vinturikiran
Kurra Bewarse
Username: Vinturikiran
Post Number: 136
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 61.95.134.33
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 5:24 am: | |
good one mama
any centre venki rocks |
Azad
Bewarse
Username: Azad
Post Number: 898
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 80.143.165.248
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 5:23 am: | |
Hinduism is not a religion it is a way of life". - Swami Vivekananda.
anduke mama ee thedaa anthaa
Andhrudu..Bharatheeyudu..Athi samanyudu..Azad! |
Baaggie
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Baaggie
Post Number: 36
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 141.89.66.2
| | Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2004 - 5:15 am: | |
I know this may prove to be controversial to some of you but still I want to go through this
A HUMBLE REQUEST:
Please read this entire article, before you avoid it.
Are you a Secularist? Then please answer these questions,
1. There are nearly 52 Muslim countries. Show one Muslim country which
provides Haj subsidy.
2. Show one Muslim country where Hindus are extended the special rights that
Muslims are accorded in india?
3. Show one Muslim country which has a Non-Muslim as its President or Prime
Minister.
4. Show one country where the 85% majority craves for the indulgence of the
15% minority.
5. Shoe one Mullah or Maulvi who has declared a 'fatwa' against terrorists.
6. Hindu-majority Maharashtra, Bihar, Kerala, Pondicherry, etc. have in the
past elected Muslims as CMs; Can you ever imagine a Hindu becoming the CM of
Muslim - majority J&K?
7. Today Hindus are 85%. If Hindus are intolerant, how come Masjids and
Madrassas are thriving? How come Muslims are offering Namaz on the road? How
come Muslims are proclaiming 5 times a day on loudspeakers that there is no
God except Allah?
8. When Hindus gave to Muslims 30% of Bharat for a song, why should Hindus
now beg for their sacred places at Ayodhya, Mathura and Kashi?
9. Why temple funds are spent for the welfare of Muslims and Christians,
when they are free to spend their money in any way they like?
10. When uniform is made compulsory for school children, why there is no
Uniform Civil Code for citizens?
11. In what way, J&K is different from Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu or Uttar
Pradesh, to have article 370?
12. Why Gandhiji supported Khilafat Movement (nothing to do with our freedom
movement) and what in turn he got?
13. Why Gandhiji objected to the decision of the cabinet and insisted that
Somnath Temple should be reconstructed out of public fund, not government
funds. When in January 1948 he presurrised Nehru and Patel to carry on
renovation of the mosques of Delhi at government expenses?
14. If Muslims & Christians are minorities in Maharashtra, UP, Bihar etc.,
are Hindus not minorities in J&K, Mizoram, Nagaland, Arunachal Pradesh,
Meghalaya etc? Why are Hindus denied minority rights in these states?
15. Do you admit that Hindus do have problems that need to be recognized. Or
do you think that those who call themselves Hindus are themselves the
problem?
16. Why post-Godhra is blown out of proportion, when no-one talks of the
ethnic cleansing of 4 lakh Hindus from Kashmir?
17. In 1947, when India was partitioned, the Hindu population in pakistan
was about 24%. Today it is not even 1%. In 1947, the Hindu population in
East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) was 30%. Today it is about 7%. What happened
to the missing Hindus? Do Hindus have human rights?
18. In contrast, in India, Muslim population has gone up from 10.4% in 1951
to about 14% today; whereas Hindu population has come down from 87.2% in
1951 to 85% in 1991. Do you still think that Hindus are fundamentalists?
19. Do you consider that - Sanskrit is communal and Urdu is secular, Mandir
is Communal and Masjid is Secular, Sadhu is Communal and Imam is Secular,
BJP is communal and Muslim league is Secular, Dr. Praveen Bhai Togadia is
ANTI-NATIONAL and Bhukari is Secular, Vande Matharam is communal and
Allah-O-Akbar is secular, Shriman is communal and Mian is secular, Hinduism
is Communal and Islam is Secular, Hindutva is communal and Jihadism is
secular, and at last,
Bharat is communal and Italy is Secular?
20. When Christian and Muslim schools can teach Bible and Quran, Why Hindus
cannot teach Gita or Ramayan?
21. Abdul Rehman Antuley was made a trustee of the famous Siddhi Vinayak
Temple in Prabhadevi, Mumbai Can a Hindu - say Mulayam or Laloo - ever
become a trustee of a Masjid or Madrassa?
22. Dr. Praveenbhai Togadia has been arrested many times on flimsy grounds.
Has the Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid, Delhi, Ahmed Bhukari been arrested for
claiming to be an ISI agent an d advocating partition of Bharat?
23. When Haj pilgrims are given subsidy, why Hindu pilgrims to Amarnath,
Sabarimalai & Kailash Mansarovar are taxed?
A Muslim President, A Hindu Prime Minister and a Christian Defence Minister
running the affairs of the nation with a unity of purpose.
Can this happen anywhere, except in a HINDU NATION - BHARAT ?
"Hinduism is not a religion it is a way of life". - Swami Vivekananda.
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