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Baaggie
Kurra Bewarse
Username: Baaggie
Post Number: 356
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 141.89.66.2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 12:05 pm: |    |
No bird soars too high if he soars with his own wings. |
Plz_kissme
Bewarse ke Bewarse!
Username: Plz_kissme
Post Number: 2222
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 65.24.88.239
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 10:31 am: | |
interesting
CHIRU RULES |
Jamadagni
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Username: Jamadagni
Post Number: 988
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 141.151.92.244
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 10:28 am: | |
* Wrong section loo right thread!!
Good one Singh maava,
That's why qualified academician's should increasingly be a part of the thinktank(s) that formulate international policies.
Most of these bureaucrats that generally man these committees currently are examples of "power paradox"- when in power they don't do anything to improve the system but Once out of it, they are the most vocal among the protestors( against inconsistencies in policies.)
U.S. is one big hypocritic economy that tries to muster international support to advance its personal interests( often at the cost of the other nations).
I find it totally bizzare to see its leaders backtracking on some policies that they have been prescribing to other nations for quite some time.
In International trade, these kinds of structural adjustments are inevitable. If the economies are to advance, the onus is squarely on them to explore things in which they have a genuine competitive advantage.
Anthee kaani subsidies icchoo, importsni baN cheesoo, deesaala meedha sanctions pettoo, cartels form cheesoo advance avuthaamanteee........
Hanuman/Jamadagni
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Moveaway FCUK....PLAYLIFE is here! |
Sollu
Censor Bewarse
Username: Sollu
Post Number: 1714
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 67.170.139.13
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 12:12 am: | |
hello KC babai...ela decide ayyavu selavalu enjoy sese vishayamlo? |
Kingchoudary
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Username: Kingchoudary
Post Number: 959
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 202.54.130.129
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 12:05 am: | |
Hi Sollu babai,
Sound Cheyaku, Sound rakunda Champestha |
Sollu
Censor Bewarse
Username: Sollu
Post Number: 1713
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 67.170.139.13
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 11:50 pm: | |
Spitfire sodara masthu ga cheppadu peddayana |
Spitfire
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Username: Spitfire
Post Number: 194
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 68.106.114.108
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Votes: 1 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 11:43 pm: | |
Mr Cool Sodara:
As you are interested, although it is long
I will post here an excellent conversation refelcting the views of a Professor I know personally. This is a conversation he had with one of my friend. He posed the following question.
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Dear Professor Nollen,
Hope you are doing well and busy as usual with your work. I wanted to engage
you in a conversation when you have some time in regards to the Outsourcing
and the IT/Services industry moving to India and other countries. I know
that you have done lot of study in Asian markets, so I thought it would be
nice to tap into your vast knowledge in this domain. In the recent past we
have seen a lot of public and political outcry in this regards. Personally I
have had many people ask me "So what do you think about the outsourcing? You
guys are taking all our jobs!" I wanted to tell them that this is a good
thing and in the end everyone will benefit from this. However I realized
soon that for every person I talk to there might be 100's who are asking the
same question to whom I can't answer. I felt that there has to be a broader
initiative taken to bring awareness to the general public. And I know that
U.S companies probably can't engage in this kind of propaganda for the
obvious reasons of facing backlash domestically. But do you think that trade
organizations in India consider this seriously in promoting the
"Outsourcing/Service Brand"? Your thoughts and opinions in this regard will
be highly regarded.
I know that you are busy, and if you feel this issue is better conveyed
personally or via phone rather than on email please let me know.
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You asked me quite a long time ago about “offshoring” of IT services, and I’ve
carried your message around with me ever since. At last I will try to make a
decent reply, and I apologize for my tardiness.
This is a classic problem in international trade, but with three novel
aspects. The classic problem is that free trade compels adjustments over time
in the location and composition of employment. If American companies import IT
services from Indian companies rather than produce those services themselves in
the US, then the American employees either lose jobs they had or don’t get new
jobs that might otherwise be created in the US.
The first novel aspect is that this is trade in services rather than goods, and
in the past few services were traded because they were consumed as they were
produced (e.g., haircuts, concerts, air travel, voice telephone) or they
required complete local knowledge (e.g., bank lending). However, IT services
can be produced in India and transmitted to the importer in the US
electronically and instantaneously as if physical distance is irrelevant.
The second novel aspect is that there is a popular impression that the jobs
that are being lost to India are “good” jobs done by skilled people instead
of “bad” jobs done by unskilled people (e.g., sewing garments). While I don’t
have data at hand to document my point, I believe that in fact many of the IT
services jobs done in India for American companies are not highly skilled labor
jobs. They are the back office jobs for banks, insurance companies, and
airlines. They are data entry jobs. Among software jobs that are outsourced,
most are at the entry level – writing lines of code or testing programs, but
not designing systems. (There is a movement out the value chain by Indian
software companies toward higher-skill jobs, but many of those jobs are being
created in the US by Indian companies that make investment in the US and to
that extent do not cause loss of jobs for Americans.) To the extent it is good
jobs that are moving to India, then we encounter a more articulate protest.
The third novel aspect is that American companies are investing in operations
in India and therefore are partly responsible for the loss of jobs in the US.
American companies are the exporters from India as well as the importers into
the US.
Is IT services offshoring a problem? Yes, it is for the people who lose their
jobs or who don’t get jobs that might otherwise be created. Trade always
creates losers as well as winners. But it’s not a major public policy
problem. If the people who are hurt by IT services imports are highly skilled,
they are likely to find other jobs quite quickly. They have intellectual and
financial resources and they are reasonably mobile. They don’t need protection
from the government.
If trade is free and fair (and no one is claiming unfair trade in IT services),
then winners win more than losers lose. But it’s hard to see the gains. They
are improved company performance that comes from importing equal or better
services at lower cost. That in turn contributes to company growth and
increased employment, although in other jobs. That also means equal or better
final products or services produced and sold by the American companies, which
increases consumer purchasing power and further accelerates economic growth and
employment creation.
One more point. IT services offshoring has suddenly become somewhat of a media
frenzy. The media pick up cues from one another. If the New York Times runs a
story, so does the Washington Post .. and National Public Radio, and Time
Magazine, and …. All of this attention is on balance good for India, I think.
It tells Main Street Americans that India isn’t just snake charmers and
beggars.
NASSCOM is concerned about the issue, I know, but I don’t know exactly what Mr.
Karnik or his members company executives are doing about it.
We can talk by telephone further if you want, or before or after class one
Friday or Saturday.
Stanley Nollen
Stanley Nollen
Professor
Georgetown University, McDonough School of Business
Tel: 202 687 3826
Fax: 202 687 4031
Email: nollens@g...
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Singh
ShivaShankar -- R U Ready |
Sollu
Censor Bewarse
Username: Sollu
Post Number: 1712
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 67.170.139.13
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 11:42 pm: | |
 bokka pade time daggara padindi....asale IT ante siraku dobbuthundi...... |
Mrcool
Kurra Bewarse
Username: Mrcool
Post Number: 296
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 24.10.249.184
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 11:35 pm: | |
thanks spitfire babai!
have a question though! the article says 40,000 bucks per indian programmer. I am sure a major chunk of that goes into the pockets of the companies!
Do u see the companies reducing the profit margins in near future?
I am reborn! |
Spitfire
Kurra Bewarse
Username: Spitfire
Post Number: 192
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 68.106.114.108
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 11:30 pm: | |
MrCool Sodara:
The actual article that inspired yopur link is here.
http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/dec20 03/sb2003122_8887.htm
This article is far more explanatory. But the economic times article is outstretching the actual fact based on a example. Economy is not driven by what Jon Carson think is best for his company.
Anyways a good read.
ShivaShankar -- R U Ready |
Chonga
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Username: Chonga
Post Number: 163
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 61.8.144.106
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 11:27 pm: | |
well.....
Sankarabharanam, SagaraSangamam, GudumbaShankar |
Mrcool
Kurra Bewarse
Username: Mrcool
Post Number: 295
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 24.10.249.184
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 11:23 pm: | |
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/ms id-757187,curpg-1.cms
I am reborn! |
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