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Sunnymoon
Bewarse
Username: Sunnymoon
Post Number: 1188
Registered: 06-2005
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Sunnymoon
Bewarse
Username: Sunnymoon
Post Number: 1186
Registered: 06-2005
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Brad
Bewarse ke Bewarse!
Username: Brad
Post Number: 26639
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 204.99.118.9
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e someone else has already
developed an application. All you need to do is add more features/change
behaviour as per client's request.
here he has the scope to show his so called engineering/design skills instead of bragging why would he not use it?? |
Smart
Vooriki Bewarse
Username: Smart
Post Number: 4395
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 207.199.2.34
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there is truth in what was written.
This model worked (and is still working) and made the IT industry flourish in India.
But, to remain in business, India cos got to do R&D and come up with some products. |
Kasakbabu
Desanike Pedda Bewarse
Username: Kasakbabu
Post Number: 7486
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 203.200.95.130
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already paragraphs gaa undigaa |
Idiot
Bewarse ke Bewarse!
Username: Idiot
Post Number: 28494
Registered: 09-2004
Posted From: 199.245.32.11
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koncham chinnaga divide chesi post seyyochu gaa tammai  |
Kasakbabu
Desanike Pedda Bewarse
Username: Kasakbabu
Post Number: 7483
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 203.200.95.130
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Views on the Indian tech industry:
It's a topic that has been oft debated - that India's tech industry is a lot
like the Chinese manufacturing phenomenon - Low cost, reasonable quality,
minimal innovation. I was an employee of a huge IT company in India (what
the heck, it was TCS) and have, in the two years in their employ, developed
certain opinions and concerns about the direction of India's IT revolution.
Here's how Indian IT companies operate (Infy, TCS, wipro and the second
string such as mastek, satyam, patni etc). Hire engineers in bulk, never
mind that they are not computer scientists or electrical engineers - if they
can write a few lines of code in C/C++ and are academically decent, they're
hired . After all, they dont need brilliant engineers - just people who will
do as they are told and reasonably intelligent enough to get the client's
work done , and bullshit their way out of it if they don't. They'll rarely
make CAD software for Electrical engineering or mechanical engineering.
Instead they will develop "end to end solutions" for banking, finance,
inventory management, website development, etc . By develop I mean code, not
design - there is a huge difference between the two, something which I will
touch upon shortly. One important thing to note is that the HR in most IT
companies dont give a damn about individual interests. They will put you
wherever they need someone to slog for them. I've had one HR person tell me
that they will put me in a project where they get maximum money, regar dless
if I am interested or not. And they wonder why so many people leave!!!
What is the nature of the work? At least 70% of the international projects
in most indian IT companies is maintenence - i.e someone else has already
developed an application. All you need to do is add more features/change
behaviour as per client's request. Then there's production support, which is
worse. It is almost call-center work - ensure that the application runs
normally and if it fails, get it up and running ASAP. Take calls from the
client, update on the status. In a sense, like a car mechanic - I didnt get
an engineering degree to be a car mechanic - I got it to design the car!
Finally, if you are lucky you get development - write code. But then,
writing code is easy - it is like manufacturing a car. What is not, is
designing a system that works efficiently. Typically, foreign clients get
the design done by the likes of Accenture, IBM, etc. The designs are then
sent to desi companies, who actually do the coding at a cost much cheaper
than IBM or accenture. Thus, all we do is donkey work. It is not
technology - it is programming. Technology is a new idea, paradigm or
design - programming is implementing that design. Thus, most of the people
in IT waste their engineering degrees, doing mundane programming, until they
are made project managers - after which they spend their lives approving
timesheets, conducting appraisals and sucking up to the client . Wait a
second - shouldnt an experienced IT professional be doing advanced stuff and
leave the bullshitting to MBAs?
Why is it so hard for desi companies to do design? The've not tried hard
enough (yet) to get into this space. They just dont have the competence to
get the job done. Desi companies are amazing at procedure oriented
projects - if there is a procedure in place telling us what to do, we can do
it. They dont have the experience (and therefore the brand equity) to
attract IT consulting projects. Consulting is largely a reputation driven
business. In order to build such a reputation, desi companies need to hire
high-flying consulants - they dont come cheap. Even after all this, there is
no guarantee of results! (Lately, Infy is trying to get into this space, I'm
told, so good luck to them. I dont think TCS is though :-)) How many
software products come out of Indian cos? IFlex is the only company to have
a product successful worldwide. Making products is expensive and again,
there is no guarantee of success - why risk it when services give me an
assured income?
Why do we need to get into high end IT - consulting and products? Simply
because the algorithm of low cost, low margin services will run it's course
in the future. As payscales rise in india and the rupee appreciating wrt the
dollar, margins become more and more slim. In time, India may not be as
competitive as say Brasil or Russia - the American cos will take their
projects out there! U can see trends in the manufacturing sector - earlier
Taiwan was the manufacturing base for American cos, then SouthKorea and then
these days, China. Indian companies thus have 2 coices - identify and set
shop in countries where the low cost, low margin algorithm can be applied
(TCS seems to be taking this route) or enter into high end IT, which is
independent of geography (Which Infy is trying). I believe the latter is the
better route - it is a high margin business and reasonably high tech. What
is even better, is coming up with technology - like Java, efficient
databases, advanced operating systems (Like Sun, Oracle or Microsoft). That
is real tech. It's not that we can't do it. It's just that we dont want to
risk it . But, nothing venture, nothing have! Desi companies dont even do
proper R&D!
For too long have we been stuck in the procedure oriented IT services. It is
time to invest in consulting and products, and take Indian IT to the next
level, or else I fear we will remain stuck in this low end nonsense.
Finally, a true story. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation (TSMC)
was huge in the chip manufacturing industry, making almost 60% profit. Th ey
could have got into chip design, and potentially, designed low cost chips.
However, design is a risky business - what if the chip bombs? TSMC chose to
stick to it's core competence - fabrication. In time, TSMC's profits have
declined to 20% or so... they're still number one, but dont make as much
money as they used to... Are we learning yet?
PS: Work at TCS drove me so crazy; I quit to do a PhD :-)
eeroju naku idi forward chesaaru evaro.........ilaantidi sadavadam idi first time kaadu.....vaalla business model ye adi ani enduku ardham chesukoru.......capital anedi ekkadi nundi vasthundi?......most of the people ilaane aalochisthaaraa?.......final gaa peekedemi undadu |
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