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Chalam
Desanike Pedda Bewarse
Username: Chalam
Post Number: 3310
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 148.87.1.170
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 12:25 pm: |    |
complete BS. hollow thinking from the author. 20 years back, you couldnt roam in Hyd without knowing Urdu ? this kind of wrong propaganda is what irks people.
>> As Telangana ruled by muslim ruler for more than 150 plus yrs. Before it joined in to India. And these 150 plus yrs. of muslim rulers
changed the national fabric
'national' fabric ? boss, this dude is lost and just to make a couple of good points, he is bullshitting all over the place. Telangana was integrated into AP not because of some deep future thinking about muslims creating problems. we had linguistic state creations and majority of ppl in telangana speak telugu.
Please ask the author if he even knows what constitutes telangana ? only Hyd ? can anyone invite him over here ?
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Pakistan ( Kashmir) , South Pakisthan ( Telangana)
this is ATROCIOUS. wtf is he talking here ? Muslims NOT = pakistan.
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Proofdada
Bewarse ke Bewarse!
Username: Proofdada
Post Number: 10106
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 80.121.144.9
| | Posted on Monday, September 06, 2004 - 3:21 am: | |
good one krishna...and lolli whats ur point then..
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Lolli
Kurra Bewarse
Username: Lolli
Post Number: 249
Registered: 05-2004
Posted From: 129.120.222.115
| | Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2004 - 5:21 pm: | |
"maybe some people deny the facts by saying the things according to their convenience...."
TK mama, exactly! The same thing applies to the author too, from the completely opposite directions.
This whole article is highly analytical, and practical and all that. But the author failed, refused rather, to acknowledge the facts.
The whole thing is nothing more than grunts and rants of a stinking rich NRI, whose father, I guess, is harassed by Naxals (During my 24 years of living in Karimnagar, and Warangal districts, I have never seen a single incident where Naxalites demanded money from someone as lowly as a cycle repairer...that story of his is complete B.S).
I do not favor a separate state, I agree with the author’s conclusion saying social responsibility and all that crap. All I am saying is, this article is just an intellectual face mask to his bourgeois actual self.
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Sree
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Sree
Post Number: 54
Registered: 08-2004
Posted From: 69.141.165.111
| | Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2004 - 4:21 pm: | |
Good one.. BTW what is TDF? is it a forum or a site name???
SamaraSimhudi Rajasam Narasimhudi Roudram BrahmaNaidi Pourusham Kalagalipina Vijayendrudu Mana BalayyaBabu |
Thodakottu
Bewarse ke Bewarse!
Username: Thodakottu
Post Number: 5554
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 70.24.198.33
| | Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2004 - 2:18 pm: | |
excellent one mama..
maybe some people deny the facts by saying the things according to their convenience....
naa mail id thodakottu@yahoo.com Naa YM id thodakottu |
Amar
Kurra Bewarse
Username: Amar
Post Number: 231
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 24.13.70.185
| | Posted on Sunday, September 05, 2004 - 1:51 pm: | |
I read this article in TDF written by some guy called Krishna. it was an awesome article. Krishna sorry for copying and pasting your article without ur permission.
I partuclarly liked the one I highlighted in blue.
Why Telangana is backward?. Is it back ward because of being part of
Andra Pradesh?
There is a common notion that Telangana became backward because it
did not get enough attention from rest of Andra Pradesh. ( matter of
fact even rayala sema feels the same). But all the discussions of
separate telangana is driven by the fact of political gains of few
politicians. If you go back and see every time separate telangana
agitation picked up is because of this mean politicians to use this
issue for political gains.
Before I go further : Let me tell bit about my self . I am born and
bought up in warangal and my father was running a cycle repair
shop . I studied up to intermediate in a govt. schools and
colleges . But I did my engineering in Vijaywada( Andra) , so I saw
both worlds closely. After finishing my B.Tech. I worked few years in
India then moved to Singapore. From Singapore I came to USA and
settled here from last ten years. To make long story short I am an
entrepreneur and started a software development company in India.
Over the course of last 35 plus years of my life I experienced many
colors of life from poverty , Caste discrimination ,Political
burocrasy .
If we go back to 1947 age : Every body comes back to argument that
because of Nehru or other leaders stupidity we are merged in to Andra
Pradesh?. But any body know what is the rationality of this merger.
And what is the positive ness the people of telangana earned by this
merger?.
I will give similarities of what happened in rest of India . Do you
guys know Nagaland, Assam and many of this north eastern states
don't have any thing in common with rest of the India. But there is a
significant effort had made to bring them in to national stream by
giving significant financial benefits to keep them part of the
country. The same way Kashmir is Added to India and the Govt. of
India made significant efforts in first 15 to 20 yrs to bring them to
part of India by developing tourisam and national integrity. As
Telangana ruled by muslim ruler for more than 150 plus yrs. Before
it joined in to India. And these 150 plus yrs. of muslim rulers
changed the national fabric. And we already seeing East Pakistan
(Current Bangladesh), West Pakisthan ( Current Pakisthan) , North
Pakistan ( Kashmir) , South Pakisthan ( Telangana) . As when Indian
govt. occupied Telangana after lot of rational thinking they merged
Telangana in to Andra which helped to take off the separatists to
minority . For example if you go back to 50 yrs back Hyderabad is a
pure muslim dominant city , but now they are limited to one small
part of old city also separatist movement pushed back. With the
rational of eliminating separatist movements , our great leaders of
that time decided to have Andra Pradesh. And in the process
Telangana changed quite a bit socially and economically. Even if you
go 20 yrs back, you cannot roam around in Hyderabad with out knowing
Urdu. But times are changed. What could have happened if Telangana
as separate state in 1950 it self. We could have seen one more
Kashmir in action, or like one more back ward state like Bihar ( Our
communal problems are equally worst like them). Given a chance even
the so called socialistic Naxal groups could have controlled the
Telangana to wipe out any development process.
Don't take it wrong, Telagana had hugh problems of selfish land
Lards or greedy booswamies. But that same situation is there in
rest of the India or even in the world , but balanced out more
effectively by social conscious. But on this name we still encourage
Naxals. What they are doing ?. wiping out any little development
happens on the name of brining equality?. On the name of brining
equality they burn the busses, railway stations, electric systems.
But our villages fully support them. Matter of fact it is open
secret that current parites won based on their support. History
repeats it self. Go back to 15 yrs back NTR did the same excersise
of being friendly with Naxals to win govt.. People have very short
memory , when NTR came to power he took of the ban on Naxal's, and
the misery the people went thru those years are unbearable. They
literally looted whole community on the name of equality , my father
him self paid his one month earnings for making piece with them.
Every business man paid in lakhs for the party , until there is a
push back and they pushed back in to forests , the whole economy
crumbled.
Guys, lets analyse deeply why Telangana is backward?.
Very simple question , if any of you guys have say few crores in your
bank, are you ready to do a business venture or setup a factory in
any rural part of Telangana. Think thru and tell me how many of you
will be ready?. If you had a option of setting it up in vijag or
vijayawada where do you prefer?. Reason simple and straight, you can
not do business in Telangana successfully.
How is the growth happens?. There is a normal tendency in not just
Telengana, but in whole India that , govt. need to set up
factories , dams and need to provide jobs . Is it govt.
responsibility ?. From where it will set up , does it have magic
wand?. Any body studied developed countries and evolved to their
prosperity?. More than govt. the individuals took the social and
economic change in to their hands and bought changes in the system.
It is not public sector but the Private sector which bought changes
in the system. Where we Indian so much inclined to socialistic ideas
and expect every thing from Govt.?. I am poor , govt is not doing any
thing?. I am broke govt. not doing any thing?. I did my
gradutation , but govt. is not providing job?. As govt. is not
providing job I have right to loot or brake all govt. property?. We
as individual separate our self from govt. and expect govt. to do
things?. Even social changes like eliminating the dowry system or
caste system need to be done by Govt.?. This list never ends , we
know how to complain but don't take responsibility. Especially in
Telangana it is worst. If some body looks prospering , we consider
him as cheater. Rest of the Andra prospered because of the private
sector initiatives . If you take Telangana excluding Hyderabad ,
tell me how many Private sector companies are started , compare to
rest of Andra. The results are alarming. Is Govt. responsible for
that?.
In telangana you have quite a few public sector companies. Did you
guys analyze how they are performing. Except NTPC , all other are
sinking and some of the factories like Fertilizer corporation of
India Ltd. are closed down. I fortunately met few of the employees
of this close down factory , their complains are they are not getting
enough remuneration , compensation and govt. broke their lifes (
Govt.fed them for 20 plus years with no productivity) . These guys
are doing darna's and strikes , and public is showing sympathy to
them. But look in to this company financials , the factory never
even productive or showed profits.). The factor is closed or zero
production from last ten years, but no body cared especially
thousands of employees of this company .But today Govt. is bold to
close it down , these guys weep and fight. Is not it social
responsibility of same employees to see prosperity of the company
on which they are earning livelihood. I see the same lack of
responsibility in many other sectors or with in the people.
Now coming back to farming or agriculture : I saw not only telangana
but in many states of India the emotions of saying we are agriculture
centric state and agriculture need to get highest priority. We praise
farmer saying "Anna Datha" , but lets put this emotions a side and
lets see the statue budgets or financials of any year. You hardly
see any earnings comes to state earnings or even country earnings
from agriculture either directly or indirectly. Take a survey from
all farmers from 1950, how much income tax they paid . Hardly 1% of
farmers pay income tax?. And the taxes on the products they sell ,
you know pretty well how much they are taxed. So where is the money
comes to state budget to spend on farmers?. Is not if agriculture is
our core , the agriculture need to give biggest revenue in to
state ?. On top of it our policy makers make mockery of it by putting
popularity schemes like " 2Rs. Kg. Rice. All in all , if Agriculture
is future of country , the sector need to take responsibility to
improve infrastructure.
I can go for many more pages here is my summary:
Separate state wont bring prosparity , But social responsibility will
make significant difference.
If every person Start feeling , how can I be productive and do
better? . Then as a state or city every thing will improve.
Stop supporting Naxals or any anti social elements.
Start Creating social economy and friendly environment for
entrepreneur to evolve or industrialists to invest.
Consider Agriculture as a industry and the results as any other
commercial products. This gives you opportunity to provide insurances
on the crops , so farmers wont suside.
Stop supporting subsidies and popularity schemes and get real growth
from grass roots.
Stop accepting lack of responsibility or accountability ( One of my
class mater is a teacher in a village and he hardly visit his school
once a month to get his paycheck)
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