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Kingchoudary
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Username: Kingchoudary
Post Number: 3199
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 202.54.130.129
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 2:16 am: |    |
Savrakar lanti maha veerudini thitte lnaja kodukulandarini addam gaa nariki paradengali.
vaalla drushtilo VP Nehru gaadu manchi vaadu Savarkar desadrohaa?
okavela savarkare kanuka desadrohi ayithe mari athani sishyulu chandrasekar Azad, Ram prasad Bismil, Raj Guru lu kooda desadrohulaa.
Desam kosam prananni thyagam cheyadamena veellu chesina thappu.
manisankar chesina daaniki aadi party tharapuna inthavaraku kandana ledu okka PM thappa, yeediki savarkar ni thidithe Sonia daggara manchi peru vasthundi ane alochana, chee vaadi notlo naa piyya
Naa postunu delete chesevadu voora pandi  |
Indiainfo
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Username: Indiainfo
Post Number: 3185
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 130.243.43.216
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 1:52 am: | |
http://www.kamat.com/kalranga/itihas/vds.htm |
Indiainfo
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Post Number: 3184
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 1:21 am: | |
another article against savarkar
http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/mar/03inter.htm
thanks amar mama for the link |
Amar
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Post Number: 250
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 24.13.70.185
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 7:31 pm: | |
an article against Savarkar by our own pro congress writer vir sanghavi.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_988942,0030 0001.htm
this is quote from savarkar in his clemency:
“If the government in their manifold beneficence and mercy release me, I, for one, cannot but be the staunchest advocate of constitutional progress and loyalty to the English crown which is the foremost condition of progress... My conversion to the constitutional line would bring back all those misled young men in India and abroad who were once looking up to me as their guide. I am ready to serve the government in any capacity they like… Where else can the prodigal son return but to the parental doors of the Government?”
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Tuntari
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Username: Tuntari
Post Number: 241
Registered: 09-2004
Posted From: 192.127.94.7
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 6:50 pm: | |
I too searched google.. but in vain. guys can one share a copy of it.
Chalamai if you have the copy, please send a copy to me @ nalanda_kiranam@yahoo.com |
Indiainfo
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Post Number: 3182
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 6:38 pm: | |
but at the same time, aa letter chaduvu ekkadanna dorikithe. nenu oka 3 months back chadivaa. chala slavish ga raasadu le.
chalam mama ,
aa letter net lo undha...
everi daggara aina aa link unte ikkada postagalaru  |
Gaali
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Username: Gaali
Post Number: 5925
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 216.15.79.194
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 6:38 pm: | |
Yevaro vattarani yedo settarani yeduru soosi mosapokumaa O GG mama guddalippi yegarabokuma.
"Bradayya - Yevari fan nu kaadu ....... |
Indiainfo
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Username: Indiainfo
Post Number: 3180
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 130.243.43.216
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:51 pm: | |
gochi mama,
morning time lo classes and thesis tho busy so ravatledhu...ela unnavu mama |
Chalam
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Username: Chalam
Post Number: 3527
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 148.87.1.170
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:44 pm: | |
ade kada II mama, anduke I choose to believe that positive version. proof enti ante, how did he behave after he got out ? did he calm down or was he still active ? reality is that he was still active but secretly. hindu maha sabha ni activate chesaadu and chala mandi youth ni prabhavitham chesaadu. ( congeeyulu gandhi ni champadaniki plan chesadu anna antaaru )
but at the same time, aa letter chaduvu ekkadanna dorikithe. nenu oka 3 months back chadivaa. chala slavish ga raasadu le.
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Indiainfo
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Username: Indiainfo
Post Number: 3179
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:43 pm: | |
baggie mama nee id bagme123 add chesanu...ade aite online ra.. |
Gochi
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Post Number: 1444
Registered: 07-2004
Posted From: 69.150.13.74
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:42 pm: | |
 II maava.....eti asalu raavatledhu morning timelo.... |
Indiainfo
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Post Number: 3178
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:39 pm: | |
after 11 years of such hardships, any human being can break.
daaniki manchi reasoning ichadu kada mama gurumurthy...that he had followed shivaji principles...
tanu velutunna way lo work out avvanappudu inko way choose chesukovatam lo tappu ledhu kada mama...
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Don
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Username: Don
Post Number: 1767
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 68.49.136.206
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:37 pm: | |
>>See ..congress people might have done that ....why to bring SOnia here ...why to relate her in every instance ...
Sonia is a part of congress mama. She is the leader. Congress people ni sonia ni veru chesi maatlaadutunnav. So chaala mandi(including u) do not see sonia as a part of the group. So why talk abt her? Anyway it wud be a good move if she objects to Mani's move instead of supporting. Why is she silent?
The truth is she herself doesn't know whats going on around her so the best thing for her to do is run her ass into her house and sit quite rather than involve in some shit 
Whatever it takes! |
Baaggie
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Post Number: 1550
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 141.89.66.2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:36 pm: | |
II mama nuvvu hyd lo ekkada undedi. podduna adigite cheppaledu.
No bird soars too high if he soars with his own wings. |
Chalam
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Username: Chalam
Post Number: 3525
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 148.87.1.170
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:33 pm: | |
Gurumurthy is en economics giant and is a very smart man. but oflate, koncham hindu rightwing loki cheripoyadu but facts are facts even if musharraf says them.
coming to savarkar, congees especially that roach MS Aiyar koncham ekkuva chesthunnaru. that savarkar was a die hard patriot cannot be questioned but he had his own ways of fighting for independence. the biggest blot on his character comes from that letter he had written for clemency. adi chadivithe oka slave rasinatte untundi but as this article says, after 11 years of such hardships, any human being can break.
sangh parivar iche explanation is that 'it was a smart tactic on his part to get out somehow'.
now, your call as to what you will believe. |
Indiainfo
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Username: Indiainfo
Post Number: 3177
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 130.243.43.216
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:28 pm: | |
See ..congress people might have done that ....why to bring SOnia here ...why to relate her in every instance ...
GG mama,
sonia is AICC president. so automatic ga aame ni teesukuvastaru. andulo tappemundhi mama...
nuvvu topic related ga discuss cheyyakunda vere party vallu emi peekaru ani start chesavu...
vallu emi peekaledhu ane kada teesi dobbindi janalu...mari veellu emi chestunnaru...
nuvvu cheppinattu mundi 3 puta ,..thindi pettadaniki ...margalu sudakunda ilanti topics ettatam avasarama...
ikkada everu neetulu cheppataniki raledhu GG mama....nenu article receive chesukunna vidanam tappu ayyi undavachu...ikkada discuss chesi inka telusukundamani ante... |
Tuntari
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Username: Tuntari
Post Number: 239
Registered: 09-2004
Posted From: 192.127.94.7
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:27 pm: | |
Do you think without her advice does anyone do such comments? I don't think so. |
Tuntari
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Post Number: 238
Registered: 09-2004
Posted From: 192.127.94.7
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:26 pm: | |
Mana senior leaders teesukonna nirnayaalu emi telivi takkuvavi kaadu gaa... vaallu anni alochinchi chesaru kada.... ataniki entha gouravam ivvalo ani.
Madyalo deeniki enduko aa gula?? naaku artham kaaledu... Ee neethulu evo aa Rajiv ni champina LTTE ni support sesina DMK tho potthu pettukonetappudu denxipoyaaya... aa chouka baaru raaja keeyalu kaaka pothe... thu edava jeevitham edava politics nu..... 
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Gandra_goddali
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Post Number: 7349
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 155.70.39.45
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:22 pm: | |
II and Prasanth ...
I am talking abt sonia case ...
See ..congress people might have done that ....why to bring SOnia here ...why to relate her in every instance ...
gatha 6 years ...lo ila prathidaniki Morigi Morigi ...chivaraku emyindo thelsu kada ...
Neethulu seppemundu ....koncham alochinchandi ...
why to blame her everything ...
Nuvvu na andaga.... nakunda ga .. Kampinchipoda..e kailasam ... |
Baaggie
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Username: Baaggie
Post Number: 1546
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 141.89.66.2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:21 pm: | |
No bird soars too high if he soars with his own wings. |
Indiainfo
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Username: Indiainfo
Post Number: 3175
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 130.243.43.216
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:21 pm: | |
Power lo vunna 6 years ...votebanks ni suskovadam thappithe..edina chesara ....lavada gallu ....Text books...temples...ide gola gani ...
mama BJP and congress dondhu donde....everu emi cheyyaleru...
freedom fighters ni kinchaparachatam deniki mama....
BJP valla sangathi kargil appudu and rama mandiram kattanappude telisipyyindhi.vallu kuda power kosame paakuladutaru ani. |
Don
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Post Number: 1766
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Votes: 3 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:16 pm: | |
>>evado oak erri P gadu ..edo rastadu ....daniki merandaru ..guddalu sisnchukovadam ...
correste mama..
anduke nee post choosi evaru guddalu sinchukoledu 
Whatever it takes! |
Prasanth
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Post Number: 3986
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 202.141.24.2
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:16 pm: | |
GG mama anta vaddu gaani..savarkarni avamaninchatam enduku...???
gandhi, nehru lanti hyped persons kamte better aayana!!!
peace off!! |
Indiainfo
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Post Number: 3174
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 130.243.43.216
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:14 pm: | |
evado oak erri P gadu ..edo rastadu
GG mama,
enduku mama ala tondaraga conclusions ki vastavu... emi lekundane anta godava jariginda...
eenadu lo kuda chadivanu that congress vallu uma and savarkar case lo irukunnaru ani...ante ippudu eenadu kuda erri p site antava...
mama nuvvu adhi erri p artiucle ani prove cheyyi mama...appudu oppukuntam... |
Gandra_goddali
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Post Number: 7347
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 155.70.39.45
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:11 pm: | |
>> they have hurt the sentiments of millions of nationalists
a millions hurts ayionnali ...mundi 3 puta ,..thindi pettadaniki ...margalu sudamanu ...
Power lo vunna 6 years ...votebanks ni suskovadam thappithe..edina chesara ....lavada gallu ....Text books...temples...ide gola gani ...
malli sivarlo India shing..statements ..
Nuvvu na andaga.... nakunda ga .. Kampinchipoda..e kailasam ... |
Gandra_goddali
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Post Number: 7346
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 5:07 pm: | |
>> Only recently the Italian-born Sonia objected to Savarkar's portrait in Parliament
ade na answer ....
evado oak erri P gadu ..edo rastadu ....daniki merandaru ..guddalu sisnchukovadam ...
Nuvvu na andaga.... nakunda ga .. Kampinchipoda..e kailasam ... |
Gaali
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Username: Gaali
Post Number: 5918
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 199.26.230.102
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 4:44 pm: | |
GG mama
Okka saari yikkada raava? Please read the below article and gimme your opinion on Sonia. I am calling you specifically as you are a Sonia supporter. What would your stand be on this issue.
"Bradayya - Yevari fan nu kaadu....... |
Indiainfo
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Post Number: 3169
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 4:36 pm: | |
savarkar gurinchi aa madyalo mohan lal kalapani movie choosinappudu telisindhi..
savarkar portrait ni object cheyyatam anedi chala badhakaram... |
Tuntari
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Post Number: 205
Registered: 09-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 10:20 am: | |
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Babu
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Post Number: 727
Registered: 06-2004
Posted From: 194.129.177.251
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 10:17 am: | |
tx tuntari mama..
nenu eppudu matter chadiva le..
ippudu ardham ayyindi |
Tuntari
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Post Number: 204
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 10:17 am: | |
Ennemuka leni edavalu andaru aa centre lo vunnaru... eppudu baagupadutundo ee Congress centre leadership...  |
Tuntari
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Post Number: 203
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 10:14 am: | |
Inkevarni maam aa Sonia and daani chuttu vunde edava naa M gumpu nu maam... Okka lanxa kodukki kuda self respect leda? Adi edi septhe ade seyyatama? Andulo nijaalu ento choosukone pani leda? |
Babu
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evarni thiduthunnav chantoda  |
Chantodu
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Post Number: 907
Registered: 08-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 10:00 am: | |
Fuxk you bastards 
Edava jeevitham...  |
Godfather
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Post Number: 7553
Registered: 03-2004
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Votes: 0 (Vote!) | | Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 7:51 am: | |
ittanti picha M laki vote lu esi negiste illage vuntundi.. edavalu
Life Is Full Of Surprises  |
Babu
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Indiainfo
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Not Rana Pratap, Shivaji was his model, Mr Aiyar - S Gurumurthy
"I am a Brahmin from Tanjore district. Yet I eat beef. I threw my sacred thread. I married, not a Brahmin, but, a non-Hindu. I am so secular." He went on. Not in a private talk, in a public speech. Sounds like Mani Shankar Aiyar? Right, it is he. This was in early 1980s at a seminar on secularism in Chennai. Arun Shourie, N. Ram among others were present. After giving my introductory address I too listened to what Mani claimed as his ''secular'' credentials. On this test, for a Muslim to claim 'secular' status, he must eat pork, cut off his beard and marry non-Muslims. But, for Mani, Muslims are, by birth, 'secular'. Only Hindus have to turn un-Hindus to be 'secular'.
Undoubtedly it is perverse. But it offers a clue to what is central to a fraudulent secularism in practise in this country. Demeaning and trivialising all symbols of reverence to Hindus is the very essence of this 'secular' outlook. Now it is easy to understand why Mani demeaned Savarkar, an icon of those who worship this nation as what Maharishi Aurobindo or Swami Vivekananda had perceived it to be. But as most Indians are told only about Nehru, Indira and now, Sonia, they are kept ignorant about Savarkars. That is Mani's jackpot.
Few Indians know Savarkar was the father of the Indian revolutionary movement. Even fewer know about his valour. Like when arrested and brought in a ship to India he crushed himself through the toilet exit to escape and swam to Marseilles in France even as bullets rained on him. Still few know that he was re-arrested by British Police in French territory, brought to India and given double life sentence for 50 years. Yes for 50 years! Branded dangerous he was consigned to the cellular jail in Andamans. Handful only have heard how Savarkar was beaten mercilessly day after day and made to do manual labour for years. Also how he was so solitarily confined that for years he did not know that his own brother wa s his neighbour in the same jail!
Savarkar spent 11 years in this condition, double the time Pandit Nehru spent in first class jail where in peace he could write his Discovery of India! A visit to the cellular jail which is full of names of martyrs from Punjab and Bengal is a greater lesson in nationalism than a library full of sermons on patriotism. Imagine a Nehru had spent a day in cellular jail. It would have become a pilgrimage point for all Congressmen. But, the cellular jail was not so fortunate. It had no first class facilities for receiving Nehrus.
Yes, when his health was failing Savarkar wrote to the British, accepted non-violence and constitutional form of work. This was after 11 years of painful torture which people like Mani cannot even imagine. Why did Savarkar choose not to die in pain in jail? Simple. He was cast in the mould of Chhatrapathi Shivaji. For Shivaji, action, victories were important. He would retract where he had to and attack where he found advantage. This is war strategy. Bhishmapitamaha in his exposition on 'Rajadharma' and Tsun Tsu in his Art of War have commended it. In contrast another icon of Indian struggle against aliens, Maharana Pratap, was a model of valour. He would rather die than retrace his steps.
Of the two models, against ruthless enemies who had no idea of 'dharma', it was the Shivaji model that succeeded, not Maharana Pratap's. Maharana Pratap was a great hero because of his valour, but Shivaji was a greater hero because of his success. Shivaji knew that for a wounded civilisation success was the cure, not valour in defeat. So he relentlessly worked for success. Savarkar, being a fellow Maharashtrian, adopted his model. Rather than languish and die in solitary jail he wanted to be out to work. In fact the Congress movement then worked to get Savarkar released.
Back from Andamans, Savarkar was kept under house arrest. Revolutionaries like Bhagat Singh, Rajguru, Bhai Parmanand vi sited him, seeking guidance. Mahatma Gandhi and Subhas Bose also consulted him. After Savarkar's demise, Indira Gandhi honoured him with a stamp, despite his arrest and acquittal in the Gandhi murder case. The Indira government citation on Savarkar hailed him as a great patriot whose memories will remain etched in the hearts of Indians. So despite differences, no one denied Savarkar his due place, then or later. Only recently the Italian-born Sonia objected to Savarkar's portrait in Parliament. Now Mani has removed the Savarkar plaque from cellular jail. They have merely betrayed their pettiness. In the process, they have hurt the sentiments of millions of nationalists just as part of vote bank politics. That is the truth.
Writer's email: comment@gurumurthy.net
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