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Simhasanam
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>>>Dravid and Laxman were reluctant to open the innings for India. I never got their point. At that time the one down batsman was almost always coming to bat in the first 10 overs. SO what was the big deal? Can't they do that much for the team. Can't they brave it? <<<

gaali mama nuvvu dravid nee emanna annu...kaani dravid nee team player kaadhu ante nenu oppukonnu...dravid has always put the team interests ahead...he took up wicketkeeping even though he was not a genuine wK and even though he hated keeping...as for your question why he didnt open...they tried opening with dravid quite a few times but he always failed...he performed his best at no. 3..but dravid has always been a team player...
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 12:36 pm:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

>>>vadu captain ga ranku rajakeeyalu sestadani ittam ledu
kani...player ga ishtame. okappudu sachin tarvata aade favorite player.


shame to shame mama.
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Dimbaka
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Ganguly gadu exams ki mundu roju sadive rakam...captain
ga unte emi seyyarani dheema. kadupulo bhayam unte
buddiga aadatadu
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vadu captain ga ranku rajakeeyalu sestadani ittam ledu
kani...player ga ishtame. okappudu sachin tarvata aade favorite player.

captain gaa teesidengi team lo unte naku okay
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Nag_rocks
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:57 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

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Thikamaka
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:47 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

thikka mama indaka cine section lodhi inka manasulo pettukunnavu kada...akkada kullanu mama ...ikkada ninnu mechukuntunna <<
nenu oka seckchun lo peelings unko seckchun ki carry seyyanu!! :-)
anyways nenu intiki poyings!!
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Badri
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:47 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

orni thikka mamoi..saati bewarse vi feel kavu ani kullite neevu pichollani minchi potunnavu kada saami...aa pichollu anna nayam edho rendu boothulu dengi vadulutaru...neevu mari chitki matiki gurthu chesi deppi podustunnavu kada
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Badri
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:45 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

//Badri mama naa english antha baagodu le.



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Babu
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:44 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

adhe ga mama basic problem..
too much inconsistency..mana bowlers..

yorker ane ball ne marchipoyaru..

okkadappudu zaheer vesevadu..sometimes agarkar kuda...
ippudu evariki ravatla..aa ball.
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Thikamaka
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:44 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Badri mama thiduthunnava poguduthunnava?? Dthunnava??<<
dheeniki answer ivvu
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Badri
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:43 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

//Badri mama thiduthunnava poguduthunnava?? Dthunnava??

thikka mama indaka cine section lodhi inka manasulo pettukunnavu kada...akkada kullanu mama ...ikkada ninnu mechukuntunna
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Badri
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:41 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

babu mama

ninna sami gadiki 7 runs icharu mana vallu....ade akram or mcgrath unte last 3 wickets inzi gadini atu unchi peeke vallu...
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Babu
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:41 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

thik mama..spot on
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Nag_rocks
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:41 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

gaali mama ninnu nuvvu antha takkuva anchana esukoku.
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Thikamaka
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:40 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Badri mama thiduthunnava poguduthunnava?? Dthunnava??
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Babu
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:39 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

badri mama
nehra was the best bowler for the first 2/3 matches..
ofcourse he had a bad day.

but yesterday instead of persisting with nehra..gangs could have used sehwag or himself..
look at rajaaq..he bowled quite well..

i feel gangs..can be a better bowler if he starts bowling too often.
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Badri
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:38 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

thikka mama
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Gaali
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:38 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

Badri mama naa english antha baagodu le.
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Gaali
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:37 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

NR mama
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Badri
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Post Number: 4861
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:37 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

ee article choodandi....

first 2 one days lo everu strike ekkuva rotate chesaro valle gelicharu and songles importance rasadu...

http://in.rediff.com/cricket/2005/apr/13ashu.htm

gaali mama kompa teesi neevu rediff ki articles gani rayavu kadha...also ekkado rediff ante istam ani annavu
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Nag_rocks
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:35 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

i agree with u...think eti naa bonda.
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Babu
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:34 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

spot on gaali mama..
exactly my feelings too..

i still dont understand abt dravid...reluctance to opening.
he has the best technique.yet he says he is not mentally prepared for the role..

but i am happy when he opted to keep for the team cause..in the one days.

anyhow it did helped him to have a secure place in the one day side.
and in addition to that he improved a lot in his batting..
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i think with u badri mama, bowlers dobeetaru match. 48 overs lo 315 is a very good score
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Thikamaka
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Ganguly is actually going on the defensive (batting). Rather, I feel his approach should be more attacking. I think he is better suited for that sort of a game and will help him come out of this poor form.
Gaali mama I beg to differ on this mama infact Ganguly has to get his basics right u remmeber wat Sachin did when he was out of form in Sydney he restricted his offside play inspite of him being a very good offside player.. in the same way Ganguly has to play selectively he is trying to prove something to the bowlers like that he is a very good Hooker and puller come on does nt he realise that even a 2 year old kid knows that Gangu is not a good hoker and puller..
And we have seen tonnes of times when he gets out for a stupid shot which he very well knows is not goin to get him anywhere!!
so he has to go back to the board get his basics right also forget the fact that he is agreat player!! and then come back with a clear frame of mind and stop carrying the excess baggage called ego when playing short balls!!
If u remember Steve waugh was never a good puller of hooker of the ball.but as Chappell Aptly remarks though steve waugh is very poor against short balls but he rarely gets out bcos he knows the fact that he is poor and what he does is triues to stop it with his body or fend it away .. but some bowlers fail to realize it they keep pitching him short and he comfortable fends them away!!this is just for your info..
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Gaali
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:33 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

>>2nd match lo vaadu aadindhi 9 or 10 balls anukunta mama

I am talking about his approach.
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Badri
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:32 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

gaali mama

2nd match lo vaadu aadindhi 9 or 10 balls anukunta mama
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Gaali
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Another thing that our batsmen fail to do (like Ganguly and Dravid) is rotate the strike. ODI avvanivvandi Test avvanivvandi. They just have to push the ball into the gaps. Wickets lose ayinaa sare cheyyochu yee pani rather than just playing defense. They only do it once in a blue moon.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:31 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

//ikkada..he cud have send somebody like dravid or yuvi...mama...
in fact he was not sure whether to go for hitting or some quick singles...
i thought dravid wud have been a better choice...

naaku nenna..match oodipovadaniki..idi one of the main reason..we slowed down during 33-39 overs..

//

babu mama

ala chesadanuko inka vadenduku team lo ani antaru...appatiki vaadu form lo ledu ani dhoni ni promote chesadu....ninna manam match pogottukunnam ante nehra gadi valana mama...33-39 waste chesina 48 overs lo 316 ante chala manchi score...aa nehra gadini team lo enduku unchutaro teliyadhu...bowling cheyyaledu, fielding radhu...waste fellow gadu vadu..
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first match lo i think first ball ki out ayyadu anukunta
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Badri mama

First match gurthu levu gaani second match lo chaala negative gaa aadadu. He took a long time before he started to hit out. It continued into his 4th game.
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Babu
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>>asale form lo ledu added to that aa time lo strike ravatam really bad on the part of gangs...

ikkada..he cud have send somebody like dravid or yuvi...mama...
in fact he was not sure whether to go for hitting or some quick singles...
i thought dravid wud have been a better choice...

naaku nenna..match oodipovadaniki..idi one of the main reason..we slowed down during 33-39 overs..
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Babu mama

I am a great fan of Sachin, Dravid, Laxman etc. But, I am tired of their indirect complaints and their reluctance to do what is good for the team.

Examples being Sachin reluctant to bat down the order in ODI's, his cribbing of declaring when he was in the 190's etc. Dravid and Laxman were reluctant to open the innings for India. I never got their point. At that time the one down batsman was almost always coming to bat in the first 10 overs. SO what was the big deal? Can't they do that much for the team. Can't they brave it?

Look at guys like Justin Langer and Younis Khan. They are ready to bat wherever the team wants them to with no questions asked.

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team kosam chesindi choodaru mama...andaru dobbe valle gangs ni...also success choosina sachin/gangs opening partnership bagundhi...
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:22 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

//Rather, I feel his approach should be more attacking.

gaali mama

last match ki mundhu two times ade chesi out ayyadu...chala nervous feel avvutunnadu...ninnati match lo kuda sachin shots kotti unte konchem anna tension taggedemo kani sachin alisipoyyi singles teesta poyadu...asale form lo ledu added to that aa time lo strike ravatam really bad on the part of gangs...
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Babu
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:18 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

>>breaking up the Ganguly/Tendulkar opening pair proved to be detrimental for them.

true gaali mama..
somehow i am not convinced with sachin/sehwag..pair too..

sehwag/ganguly wud have been a better choice..

to me the best player in the team shud play at 4 in both forms of the game.and that is sachin..

but bcoz of sachin reluctance to come down the order..he has to come down...
and it did nt suit his style of play though he is too good against spinners..

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cricket section meedha nee gaali sokindha gaali mama?

ivvala ee section yem punyam chesukundhi mama?
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Ganguly is actually going on the defensive (batting). Rather, I feel his approach should be more attacking. I think he is better suited for that sort of a game and will help him come out of this poor form.
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 11:10 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

nenu sehwag gadiki opening ichinnapude seppa mama:

"the beginning of sehwag was the beginning of the end for ganguly"
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Babu Mama

I too hope that the break will benefit him.

Though it was the right move, breaking up the Ganguly/Tendulkar opening pair proved to be detrimental for them.
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i think he will be given one more chance..
judging by the comments of the selectors and cheif selector in particular..

i feel he will be back in the team..

moreover ban is good break for him so that he can really work on his form and come back strongly.
but i wonder whether there are any domestic matches in the pipeline for him to prove his point.

one day series with sl is scheduled in july..
hopefully he will be back with a bang
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since he is suspended now i think he will get one last shot the nxt time india plays, if he doesn't prove his worth then...........
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Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 10:56 am:Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IP

One bad series cannot be the reason to exclude a good captain and player like Ganguly.

His recent performances

ODI's
Pak series 18, 4, 9, 0 at an avg of 7.75
Bangla series 55, 22, 0 avg 25.67
Pak series 48, 0 avg 24.00
Kenya 90 avg 90
England 90, 7, 24 avg 40.33

Test Matches
Pak Series 21, 12, 12, 1, 2 avg 9.6
Bangla 71, 88 avg 79.5
SA 57, 40 avg 48.5
Aus 45, 5, 9 avg 19.67
Pak 77 avg 77.00
Aus 144, 2, 12, 37, 73, 16 avg 47.33


I think he should be given one more chance. But the thing which will come in between will be the long layoff due to ban from ODI and that the next test series is after 5 mos. time.