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Buzz
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Buzz
Post Number: 73
Registered: 08-2004
Posted From: 192.127.94.7
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 27, 2005 - 11:55 am: |    |
hmm.. nice conv going on.. i dont think we shld read too much into the reactions of sudhir mishra and anurag kashyap. its their personal opinion. critics rip their films apart too so its only fair that they criticize some films too. the only uneasy feeling that i got from those reactions was that they were more bothered about the hype than the actual movie..
we also shldnt read too much into reactions from people like karan "black changed my life" johar...
i was little apprehensive watching this movie... too much hype anipinchindhi.. the first 15 min i was thinking ki the movie was consciously trying to be different... but as the movie went on i realised that it is a very well made movie...
getting people emotional and sensitive abt the whole film was the director's objective.. and slb succeeded very well...
abt the "manipulative" tag... every filmmaker does that.. for mass films there are huge stunts to get ur adrenaline going.. that isnt manipulative?
thats the directors job.. to get people involved in the story.. and he did that very well...
amithab acted well but as someone said it was very kamal hasanish... his best moments in the film were the ones in which he was silent...
his makeup as the very-old guy was horrible.. someone shld be fired for that...
rani was simply awesome... can't pick a fault in her acting...
coming to the accusation abt slb's thirst for awards... every good director wants those.. spielberg made schindler's list, amistad etc for those.. scorcese makes almost all his films for that... dont see anything wrong in that...
coming to oscars... this is def a better bet than devdas.. that movie sucked...
overall i felt the movie was very good...
again.. these are just my personal opinions...
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Bhrigu
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Username: Bhrigu
Post Number: 6149
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 69.109.160.195
| | Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 5:39 am: | |
IBM:
My reaction to Sudhir Mishra is in the same vein as his reaction to the apparent BLACK mafia. you look at it from this angle, you will get my answer to of addressing the person with the issue and not the issue itself.
both mishra and kashyap reacted to the hype about the film and I am reacting to their reactions and the hype the press is giving them .. same difference ..
coming to the film itself, I would again implore people to take off that angle of SLB's obvious attempts for awards. as u say, his bad experience with khamoshi prolly made him get manipulative, but as a film maker he is sincere with his subject and his players .. even in such trite stuff like devdas, he IS. I would say AB was prolly kamal haasanish but not rani. IMO, she was very very good.
Q: How would an outside viewer react to BLACK, someone who does not have the baggage of SLB's oscar efforts' history ? |
Ibmast
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Ibmast
Post Number: 107
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 81.158.240.24
| | Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 5:25 am: | |
There is absolutely nothing that I do not agree with in your eview. But then as u pointed out it is not an honest film. slb made a more honest film about an impoverished mute couple and their daughter living in a shack by the sea. when people laughed in the theatres during nana p , sema b , mk's 'mute talk' in Khamoshi,slb realised that a section of the audience can be very cruel .
In balck slb decides to tackle that very audience .And he does this with a racy thriller format , a theatrical background score (as against the roar of the ocean, the wheezing sound of the sea wind in khamoshi).another ploy is the acting. The excellent performances by the leads are very Kamal haasanish (come look at me..look at my acting)..
It is not in the league of a pankaj kapoor or a nasser shah or a mohanlal.
BLACK is not a film straight from the heart but one specifically programmed to wring our hearts out.
With this I finally hope to put my Black demons to rest. |
Ibmast
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Ibmast
Post Number: 106
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 81.158.240.24
| | Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 5:07 am: | |
"eedu theesina cinemalenni ? is raat thappa, inkemanna baundaaya ? chameli oka mostharu undi. idedo mana jeevi gaaru yeleti ni lepinatle undi , kharma .. "
"and chameli lo manipulate cheyyedaniki try cheyyeledantanaaa "
There you go Brigs.wearing ur db cap .of addressing the person with the issue and not the issue itself.
After coming out the emotionalspell that the film successfully manages to cast on the viewers,
look at it in its totality and decide if u would place it in the league of an amelie, a no mans land..or the other greats of european cinema. And that my dear friend is the issue. of what people are projecting it as vis-a-vis what it actually is...Neither Anurag kashyap and sudhir mishra are bad mouthing the film..they were responding to the ad that came out in the papers..ads that apparently said something like it will take another 50 years for indian cinema to make it to the standards set by black...that black joins the ranks of the greatest of european cinema (fellini, that color series - red, etc ) and what not. |
Teluguhero
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Username: Teluguhero
Post Number: 255
Registered: 05-2004
Posted From: 205.174.185.223
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 3:43 pm: | |
"TH mama ippudu nannu tittava mechavaa "
Brad just I'm joking.
"is raat thappa, inkemanna baundaaya ? chameli oka mostharu undi"
is raat ka suba nahi is good movie.
Calcutta mail and chameli are ordinary movies.
But his latest movie Hazaaron Khwaishein Aisi, got excellent reviews from critics. |
Bhrigu
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Username: Bhrigu
Post Number: 6017
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 69.228.253.113
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 1:31 pm: | |
>> Most creative director in bollywood
eedu theesina cinemalenni ? is raat thappa, inkemanna baundaaya ? chameli oka mostharu undi. idedo mana jeevi gaaru yeleti ni lepinatle undi , kharma ..
aina, Brad and others - you gotta forget the fact that the movie was made for awards, that's distracting from the real merit of the movie. I accept he could have thought that way but still, the movie on it's own is quite good.
and chameli lo manipulate cheyyedaniki try cheyyeledantanaaa ? kaburlu.com |
Brad
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Username: Brad
Post Number: 19278
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 204.99.118.9
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 1:09 pm: | |
TH mama ippudu nannu tittava mechavaa 
sudhir laaga manchi words lo describe seyyalenu, anduke nuvvu article post sesina ventane,relate chesukunna.. |
Teluguhero
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Teluguhero
Post Number: 254
Registered: 05-2004
Posted From: 205.174.185.223
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 1:03 pm: | |
"most of my views are same"
common people don't understand intellectuals views |
Brad
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Username: Brad
Post Number: 19274
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 204.99.118.9
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 12:50 pm: | |
TH mama
most of my views are same.. |
Teluguhero
Pilla Bewarse
Username: Teluguhero
Post Number: 253
Registered: 05-2004
Posted From: 205.174.185.223
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 12:48 pm: | |
Most creative director in bollywood Sudir Mishra's opinion about black.
What do I think about Black? I don't like hamming in films, and it's a film where everybody's hamming, including the cameraman. Everything is setup for effect -- 'look how sensitive I am.'
It's not really a film about the girl who's blind. It's like you make a film about a guy who's lame, then you take the crutches away, then you hit him on the head, and he falls and you point and say, 'look how he's suffering.' When everything is for effect, it becomes boring. As a filmmaker, you start predicting.
For me, it's a very manipulative film. It's always manipulating me to cry. It's asking for too much sympathy, and I don't have that much sympathy to give. It's like emotional blackmail all the time, and I find that very unattractive. Some people might really like it, but it's not for me.
I think (Sanjay Leela) Bhansali is a good filmmaker; he's a person who's trying to tell a story visually. So he is a guy to watch out for. Like when he told stories which are musical in a way, in a milieu that he knew, like in Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam -- it's a film that works where it is.
Why are we even talking about Black? Well, because we're reacting to the fact that they brought out ads saying this was the best film ever, and some critics said this was like (Polish director Krzysztof) Kieslowski. And since all of us somewhat like Kieslowski (laughs) and have grown up on Red and Dekalog, we feel its our duty to say, 'Hey, wait a minute.' And set the record straight.
What I hate now is that everybody's become a fascist. And dissent has gone out the window. It's not important whether I like Black or not, it is a personal opinion. Suddenly the whole 'how do you dare not like it?' backlash… it's ridiculous. I mean, come on, if you don't like my film, do I say anything?
http://us.rediff.com/movies/2005/apr/19mishra.htm |
Brad
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Username: Brad
Post Number: 19272
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 204.99.118.9
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 12:44 pm: | |
or english language and directly to oscars
ade mama, award lkosam tedsdam anattu gaa tesadane, naaku inkaa unnatural gaa anipinchindi.. |
Bhrigu
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Username: Bhrigu
Post Number: 6010
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 69.110.156.116
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 12:37 pm: | |
brad mama, angloindian backdrop theesukunnadi, to get that rich loook, for english language and directly to oscars  , naaku adokkate koncham sodi gaa anipinchindi - but that's ok, ippudu oka poor hindu family ni theeskuni chesthe he prolly cannot attract the world audience ... time mama time ...
but the rich tapestry of emotions and most of all rani's acting ... naakaithe too much anipinchindi |
Brad
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Username: Brad
Post Number: 19270
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 204.99.118.9
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 12:35 pm: | |
nakaithe, too much unnaturality kanipinchindi, visuals ki yekkuva importance ichinattu kooda anoipinchindi, leni richness ni soopinchatam valla, asalu concept dilute ayinattu anipinchindi,
ka amitab, musali vadi getup kooda saana siraku vesindi.
the + points, rani action, concept, Amitab teacher gaa vunna scenes. |
Bhrigu
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Username: Bhrigu
Post Number: 6008
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 69.110.156.116
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 12:31 pm: | |
nachindi Brad mama ... kaani 2 parts lo choosa gaa, andukenemo  |
Brad
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Username: Brad
Post Number: 19267
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 204.99.118.9
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 12:12 pm: | |
bilak nachindaa maharsi.. |
Krishna9
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Username: Krishna9
Post Number: 3303
Registered: 04-2004
Posted From: 199.29.247.140
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 10:58 am: | |
Good review babai. Naaku koodaa baagaa nacchindi, very touching movie. |
Idiot
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Username: Idiot
Post Number: 19252
Registered: 09-2004
Posted From: 199.245.32.11
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 10:28 am: | |
Amitabh & Rani  |
Thikamaka
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Username: Thikamaka
Post Number: 5549
Registered: 08-2004
Posted From: 203.101.70.39
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 2:24 am: | |
Nee yabba correct gaa time ki vachesthavu kadaa <<
meethavalla ishayam gurinchi nee ishayam lo |
Kingchoudary
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Username: Kingchoudary
Post Number: 11725
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 203.199.220.66
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 2:22 am: | |
Nee yabba correct gaa time ki vachesthavu kadaa  |
Thikamaka
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Username: Thikamaka
Post Number: 5547
Registered: 08-2004
Posted From: 203.101.70.39
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 2:19 am: | |
antha ledhu le mama, pedha yedava naa M gadini nenu.<<
adhento ee madhya KC gaadu nijalu speakuthunnadu!!
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Kingchoudary
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Username: Kingchoudary
Post Number: 11722
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 203.199.220.66
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 2:17 am: | |
antha ledhu le mama, pedha yedava naa M gadini nenu. |
Bhrigu
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Username: Bhrigu
Post Number: 5984
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 63.105.52.254
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 2:11 am: | |
>> By the way nenu pakka mass ni
nuvventha weight unte endehe , manasu sunnithame gaa ? |
Kingchoudary
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Username: Kingchoudary
Post Number: 11720
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 203.199.220.66
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 2:10 am: | |
Yellundi chusthanu mama....
By the way nenu pakka mass ni  |
Bhrigu
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Username: Bhrigu
Post Number: 5981
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 63.105.52.254
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 2:03 am: | |
nee yenkamma kalaa khandam endehe, nee laanti sunnitha manasu ki chaala nachudhi le , try cheyyi |
Kingchoudary
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Username: Kingchoudary
Post Number: 11719
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 203.199.220.66
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 2:02 am: | |
Baguna mayya, naaku ilaanti kala kandalu chusentha gunde dairyamu ledhu maayya  |
Bhrigu
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Username: Bhrigu
Post Number: 5978
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 69.110.156.116
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 1:52 am: | |
KC baaunna, nuvvetlunnav ?  job maarinavanta gaa ?
ee BLACK choosavaa ? |
Bhrigu
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Username: Bhrigu
Post Number: 5977
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 69.110.156.116
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 1:51 am: | |
Midway through the movie I was just wondering if he would handle her maturing into a woman and the accompanying physical needs. he does that and so beautifully - the first scene when she feels Amitabh's hands and he recoils, a delicate indication there. But when she gets lost at her sister's wedding after the kiss, the way he handles Amitabh's separation from her by giving to her what he could never give ... beautiful conflict. lot more to say but should wallow for a while. |
Kingchoudary
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Username: Kingchoudary
Post Number: 11717
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 203.199.220.66
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 1:50 am: | |
Bigu mayya bagundavaa long time no see  |
Bhrigu
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Username: Bhrigu
Post Number: 5976
Registered: 11-2004
Posted From: 69.110.156.116
| | Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 1:46 am: | |
Just finished watching this superb movie - touched many emotions , am really moved.
To take off the negatives first, obviously made for oscars by Bhansali, a lot of English - he might claim it to be aimed at the multiplexes but an obvious cover. Some stupid direction at places, can be pardoned for cinematic liberties. that's about it.
Fantastic performance from Rani Mukherji, I never thought she could be this good. I would rate her more than Amitabh here. She SHOULD get all kinds of awards and for a change, they would hopefully share them with the girl who played the younger Rani. This happened in Hollywood for 'My left foot' - Daniel Day Lewis bagged the Oscar but the kid who plays his younger version for practically half of the movie was ignored. sad. Most of the movie is obviously inspired from Helen Keller's life and some scenes from anotehr Hollywood movie that I saw long back, dont remember the name but it's about a deaf and dumb girl and stars Jeff Bridges, I think.
The concept of a person finding his redemption in the uplifting of another disadvantaged human being who inturn finds her redemption by giving it back - wonderful. The greatness of Bhansali's direction is in the fact that there are scenes where he tells us what he's gonna do but it still is done beautifully - like Sahai saying that a miracle might happen on the 20th day and it does happen and like HOW ?? He passes from scene to scene with such ease and sets up the key twists in such a timely fashion, screenplay by whoever is written really well. |
