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Andhramass
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Post Number: 52060
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 7:12 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Kishorek111:

kani FDI raakunda, maname wastage tagginchukolema... did govt sincerely do anything to reduce/stop wastage...




govt sincerely ga chesthey FDI kuda akkarledhu mannaki

logistics, infra area loki private funds flow avvali
anni dananallo Annadanam Minna lal salam
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Kishorek111
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Post Number: 976
Registered: 04-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 1:36 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

//yap , anthe.. malli foreign rule loki ellipotham ani kondari chandasa vadula vadana..//

east india company tho debbatinna vallam... so ala alochinchatam lo tappu ledhu.

if you look at a different angle, almost all the developed countries have big enough presence of their own companies in the areas they allowed FDI. valla presence leni areas lo FDI allow chesivunte, they made enough provisions in the law to protect their interests. CHINA is doing the same thing now.

but manam doors barla teravatam tappa mana interests emiti ani alochinchama... west govts pressure chestunnayi, mana govt sare anesindhi. intha pedda issue midha kanisa discussion anna chesindha...
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Kishorek111
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Post Number: 975
Registered: 04-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 1:06 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

// large scale lo raitula daggara konukkuni takkuva rate ki ammutaru anthega.//


yee supermarket lo takkuva rates ki ammutaru... raitula daggara initial ga kontha ekkuva rate ki kontaru... but after few years when they get control, they start sqeezing the same farmers. farmers ki price increase emi vundavu.

antha ekkuva isthe west lo govts farmers ki subsidy enduku istunnaru...
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Kishorek111
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Post Number: 974
Registered: 04-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 1:00 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

//walmart sales baga slow ayinayyii, okka sari kanukkoo//

//voori ki dorram, min amount to buy, price saving is not much (local merchants are providing for same price)//

future lo vachhe stores anni small stores anta like our foodworld and trinetra. so bayata kakunda vooru lone vuntayi..

okati matram guarantee sodara.... long term lo pedda stores valana chinna kirana stores bataka levu... it has been proved before and will be proved again.
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Kishorek111
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Post Number: 973
Registered: 04-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 12:54 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

//it's totally wrong annai, closer to half % of yield is going as wastage due to lack of supply management.//

wastage anedhi manaki chala pedda problem... FDI ravatam valana naku kanapade oke oka advantage supply chain development... but FDI vachhina wastage vuntundhi... but refill kuda alage chestaru... so wastage anedhi manaku anthaga kanapadadhu...

kani FDI raakunda, maname wastage tagginchukolema... did govt sincerely do anything to reduce/stop wastage...
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Kingchoudary
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Post Number: 78201
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:56 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Raambabu:


sontha rule ayna sare edustunnaruga vaalla party opposition lo undani. alatollaki evadiate entle




MOVIEART--bemmi.lungi....
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Andhramass
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Post Number: 52059
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:43 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Godfather:

enduku ?




voori ki dorram, min amount to buy, price saving is not much (local merchants are providing for same price)
anni dananallo Annadanam Minna lal salam
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Godfather
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Post Number: 68201
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:41 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Andhramass:

baga slow ayinayyii




enduku ?
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Godfather
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Post Number: 68200
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:41 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Raambabu:

sontha rule ayna sare edustunnaruga vaalla party opposition lo undani. alatollaki evadiate entle




nee yenks..CLIPART--roflmao
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Andhramass
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Post Number: 52057
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:41 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Proofdada:

vij city walmart and metro going well sofar...




walmart sales baga slow ayinayyii, okka sari kanukkoo
anni dananallo Annadanam Minna lal salam
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Andhramass
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Post Number: 52056
Registered: 07-2006
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:40 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Kishorek111:

On the supply side, the markets are serving crores of farmers and other producers by providing ready access. The wealth generation is massively spread out, keeping people employed.




it's totally wrong annai, closer to half % of yield is going as wastage due to lack of supply management.
anni dananallo Annadanam Minna lal salam
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Proofdada
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Post Number: 118293
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:39 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Walmart kattindhi naak thelisinollee...vij oori bayata kooda re peels...
aa bongulo signature le...
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Raambabu
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Post Number: 276
Registered: 03-2012
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:39 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Godfather:

malli foreign rule loki ellipotham ani




CLIPART--lol2 sontha rule ayna sare edustunnaruga vaalla party opposition lo undani. alatollaki evadiate entle
cameraman ganga tho...
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Godfather
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Post Number: 68197
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:36 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Proofdada:

vij city walmart and metro going well sofar...




yea , edo vuru avatala pettaru kadha ? Hyd loo metro kooda bane potundi anukunta..
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Godfather
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Post Number: 68196
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:34 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Raambabu:

large scale lo raitula daggara konukkuni takkuva rate ki ammutaru anthega.




yap , anthe.. malli foreign rule loki ellipotham ani kondari chandasa vadula vadana..
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Proofdada
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Post Number: 118291
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:33 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Gf saru vij city walmart and metro going well sofar...
aa bongulo signature le...
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Raambabu
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Post Number: 275
Registered: 03-2012
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:31 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Godfather:

Foreign investment.. ante Walmart lati vallu shop luu pettukovachu desham loo..




anthena? large scale lo raitula daggara konukkuni takkuva rate ki ammutaru anthega.
cameraman ganga tho...
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Godfather
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Post Number: 68195
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:21 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Raambabu:

naa lanti OCI laki emanna effect untada?




asala eti vundadu.. Foreign investment.. ante Walmart lati vallu shop luu pettukovachu desham loo..
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Godfather
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Post Number: 68194
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:20 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Free markets vundali.. last 20 yrs loo choosam kadha , chala fields bagu padaye kani.. kudisi poyina field eti ledu..

Wal mart lati vallaki ikkada business model india loo workout avadu.. vuru avatala pedute , evaru pottaru grocery shopping kee antha duram.. city loo pettali ante RE pelutundi..
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Raambabu
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Post Number: 274
Registered: 03-2012
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:13 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

inthaki FDI ante enti?MOVIEART--bemmi.adi naa lanti OCI laki emanna effect untada?
cameraman ganga tho...
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Proofdada
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Post Number: 118289
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:11 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

True kaani...new gen couple mana laaga week end car eesukuni velli anni thecheesukuntaru...urgent vunnavi matram nuvv cheppinattu corner shop lo thechukuntar...
aa bongulo signature le...
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Kingchoudary
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Post Number: 78197
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:10 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Kirana kottu vallaku vunna margin yevariki vundadhu 20-30% margin vuntadi nayallaki....
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Godfather
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Post Number: 68193
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:08 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

maa inti daggira choosthe.. last 10 yrs loo eey mathram change ledu mama.. 5 mins distance loo rendu super markets vundevi.. ipudu moodu ayayi.. rendu kirana shops mini markets laaga perigayi.. okka kotha kirana shop vochindi..

Daggirlo chala kotha appartments vochayi anuko.. dani valla janalu perugutaru kadha.. maa intlo montha tisukunevi super market loo tisukuntaru.. kathimavi antha Kirana shop lone.. balcony loo nunchi chepte , intlo ichi potadu..
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Proofdada
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Post Number: 118288
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Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:07 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Naaku rakarakalaa idealu vasthunnayi...even i was dreaming about this last night...
aa bongulo signature le...
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Proofdada
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Post Number: 118287
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Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:06 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Fdi annitlo raavali...
aa bongulo signature le...
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Kingchoudary
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Post Number: 78196
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:04 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

FDI ravali bhai....
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Proofdada
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Post Number: 118286
Registered: 03-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:04 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Neenu ayithe full ga agree cheyyanu kindhi article...onesided ga vundhi...
aa bongulo signature le...
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Proofdada
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Post Number: 118285
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Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 3:00 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

But kirana shop vaallaku already gandi padindhi ippude ipgrade chesukuntunnaru supermarket type...ayi kooda koodsipoothay...dhaani valla few indbid ku nastameemo kaani big chains valla saana employment generate avuddi...
aa bongulo signature le...
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Proofdada
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Post Number: 118284
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Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 2:57 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

Squeez farmers ee vidhamga...dalarilu polam nunchi direct ga panta thesukelli...market loo raithuku orange juice ichi kookopetti...pantaku thagga money istharu anukunta...
aa bongulo signature le...
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Godfather
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Post Number: 68190
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Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 2:48 am:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Kishorek111:

A system that generates wealth and jobs for millions will be replaced by retail giants with the pricing power to squeeze farmers and consumers.




ee mukka sadivi , lite tisukuna..
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Musicfan
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Post Number: 41543
Registered: 05-2004
Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 11:03 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post


Kabutar_gadu:




Group CEO, R K SWAMY HANSA rasinadaniki eeyani ante emi labham?
Review - Yeto vellipoyindi
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Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 6:01 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

eee daridragottu pejaneeekaaniki nee English aavedana ardhamayye roju raavalani kaankshistunna bhayya..

lite.. memintheMOVIEART--bemmi.ok
Virginity is not a dignity! it's Lack of Opportunity
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Kishorek111
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Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 3:16 pm:    Edit Post Delete Post Print Post

A system that generates wealth and jobs for millions will be replaced by retail giants with the pricing power to squeeze farmers and consumers.

The UPA Government announced its policy last week, of inviting big multinational retailers to come and take over the Indian market. Predictably, the pro-lobby that has worked behind the scenes has expressed delight.

Oddly, the words and concerns of the masses who are about to be displaced and adversely impacted have found but a small voice in the media. Remarkably, never before has such a massively disruptive policy been pushed through with such grandstanding deception.
States’ hands are tied

A principal argument of the Government is that this is only an enabling policy and the States can determine if they will issue licences under the Shops and Establishments Act to the multinational retailers to operate within their areas. This is in direct conflict with something called “National Treatment” that the Government has committed to investing countries.

As of July, the Government of India has entered into Bilateral Investment Promotion & Protection Agreement (BIPAs) in order to promote and protect, on reciprocal basis, the investment of the investors. Such agreements have been signed with 82 countries, out of which 72 BIPAs have already come into force and the remaining agreements are in the process of being enforced.

This information is available on the Ministry of Finance Web site (http://goo.gl/nAL7Y).

The relevant clause defining “National Treatment” under this agreement reads as follows: “Each Contracting Party shall accord to investments of investors of the other Contracting Party, including their operation, management, maintenance, use, enjoyment or disposal by such investors, treatment which shall not be less favourable than that accorded either to investments of its own investors or to investments of investors of any third State.”

In effect, what this means is that if a Nilgiris can operate in Chennai, a Big Bazaar in Kolkata or an Easyday in UP, the governments of Tamil Nadu, West Bengal or UP cannot prevent a Walmart or Tesco from opening shop.

If the licence is denied under the Shop and Establishment Act, this can be legally challenged under the BIPA agreements. The entire country, including all State governments, is obligated under the BIPA agreements.
Numbers don’t add up

The government has argued repeatedly that seeking a consensus does not mean seeking full agreement. While this is so, the essence of democracy is that a minority cannot determine policy for the majority. This is what has happened in this case.

Table 1 lists the States, as cited by the Commerce Ministry, which have agreed to open up to foreign retailers. These States represent only 30 per cent of the total population of the country.

The Government clearly does not have the numbers to impose this policy. While the former Finance Minister, now the President, promised in Parliament -- and in effect to the people at large -- that consensus will drive this decision, the action of the government is quite the opposite.
Destroying Markets

Many economists have argued in favour of FDI in retail, citing investment flows and need for deficit reduction, among other issues. All these are short-term considerations at best, and there are many ways to address these.

The fundamental point has been missed. To borrow, and slightly modify, a famous phrase from an American president, “It is the markets, stupid!” The incontrovertible truth is that markets are the principal source of wealth generation and livelihood.

It is precisely for this reason that big global capital will put a major stake on the ground here with a singular focus – to control the markets and eventually dominate it, so that returns can flow copiously and in perpetuity. When this happens, as it has surely happened in country after country, the markets end up serving the interests of a few multinationals.

The opposite is true in India today. Tens of millions of retailers, traders and vendors of all hues make a living off the markets.

On the supply side, the markets are serving crores of farmers and other producers by providing ready access. The wealth generation is massively spread out, keeping people employed.

On the consumption side, crores of Indians enjoy ready access to merchandise made available through the most frugal of wholesale and retail channels found anywhere in world. The markets in India serve the people of India.

The global experience is that multinational corporatisation of retail chokes market access on the one hand, and dictates pricing to the consumers on the other.

The locus of market control in the West rests with big retailers. This is the model of Western retail, riddled with problems, that is being unleashed in India.
Anti-young at the core

While the debate rages on with a lot of irrelevant smoke and mirrors, the demographic bulge in India is all but ignored by economists. See Table 2. A massive 300 million people are in the age group of between 16 to 29 years, representing a third of the population above 12 years.

Nearly 100 million are in the age group 16 to 19. Assuming that only one in four of them seeks employment, close to 25 million new jobs will need to be added over the next five years -- that is 5 million new jobs to be created annually.

According to the Survey on Employment and Unemployment by the National Sample Survey Office 2009-10, the Indian economy’s job creation record in the past two years is abysmal.

It is incredible that Retail, one of the prime sources of employment in the country, is being handed out on a platter out to multinationals with their proven record of poor employment generation.
Cure worse than disease

FDI in retail is being brought in supposedly to address issues of infrastructure and to reduce wastage of perishables. In reality, the investments will come to take over the market.

When that is done, the farmers and suppliers can forget easy market access, countless retailers and traders would have been displaced, and the consumers will be paying a higher price. Sadly, the markets will no longer be serving the people.

(The author is Group CEO, R K SWAMY HANSA and Visiting Faculty, Northwestern University, US. The views are personal. )
(This article was published on September 18, 2012)

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